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08-28-2013, 12:43 AM | #26 |
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I've seen it over and over, cops don't want to fill out a report because they don't want to deal with it. I work at a psych hospital, cops bring patients in, and just dump them at our door step "have fun with this guy".
OP, I would have said "that's nice, now take out your pen and start writing". If he doesn't want to do it, call his superior, and file a complaint with the city. Sorry to hear about your ordeal. |
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08-28-2013, 02:36 AM | #27 |
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Sorry to hear this. We were just in the Gaslamp celebrating my impending wedding with friends.
I would call and get the police report. I'm a civil attorney in San Diego and you can definitely sue them in civil court. It doesn't sound like your damages are significant, but it would be the next best thing to pressing criminal charges against them. (Could also do both, of course.) SDPD really sounds like they dropped the ball. |
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08-28-2013, 10:54 AM | #28 |
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This. If you can go your whole life without getting punched in the face or throwing a punch at someone's face, you win. Brains over brawn. Chicks dig that anyway. I think avoiding a fight even if you and everyone around you knows you can end the guy in front of you is one of the most badass things you can do. It also shows that your ego is in check and you are in fact, NOT a caveman.
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08-28-2013, 11:08 AM | #29 |
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the cops just didnt want to write up any reports... you should def press charges. that is major BS! no one should be subjected to a beating for no reason. and btw, those guys probably just got let go in the morning... is that punishment enough? hell to the no! fight that!
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08-28-2013, 11:18 AM | #30 |
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I agree with the "lazy cops who did not want to do the paperwork" assessment. On the other hand, the cops have probably seen this all the way through before. You finally get your day in court, your name and address is publicized to the guys who beat you up, and the court convicts the guys but lets them go with a fine or orders them jailed briefly and the overcrowded jail lets them go. The guys then get their friends to beat you up again without any witnesses or trash your car.
Self defense class won't hurt anyone. Might help you make enough space to get away. But I disagree that the average guy who takes a self defense class a couple of nights a week for a year is going to easily disable two street fighters. You have to be in a few street fights before you understand. |
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08-28-2013, 11:36 AM | #31 |
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What happened to you sucks and should have never happened. This is a typical case of bullying, and while it doesn't happen to adults all that often it's a daily occurrence for kids. You were a victim, but as far as victims of random violence are concerned you got off light. I know people who fared much worse than you!
Anyone who honestly thinks concealed carry would've been a good idea in this case is out of their mind. If you're the kind of person who'd sleep soundly knowing that you killed a person just because they were drunk and stole a slice of pizza from you, you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. Nevermind what would happen if you missed your target and hit innocent bystander. Krav Maga (and other self defense classes) is a good idea for your own personal well being, but I doubt it would've helped in this case. IMO, The main thing self defense training would give you in your situation is confidence and awareness, which might've been enough to deter the attack. But if there are 2 of them and they're twice your size, you're screwed unless you strike first. And if you strike first, what's to say they won't pull a weapon. As for pressing charges, the cops actually gave you sound advice even if was selfish on their part. Pressing charges will just result in lots of paperwork, you'll spend time giving statements and attend the trials. At the end these guys will get one more misdemeanor on their long record and you would've wasted hours or days of your time. More likely the case would be dismissed anyway...if every case of 2 guys getting into a fight on a Saturday night went to court, the system would have a 10 year backlog. |
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Krav Maga is a good self defense system. I am a green belt in it, and I couple it with boxing and israeili jiu jitsu (made by my sensei and his, and currently taught to the Israeli defense force). I dont care how big the guy or guys are, they will not stand a chance. unless they are heavily trained.
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Sorry to hear about this situation. I second cops were purely being lazy and didn't want to do the paperwork.
2 years ago I was hit by drunk driver after going out to a bar in Hollywood and had to follow him while he tried to speed away. I was on the phone with the police as I followed him. After about 2 miles he got out of the car and walked. Police told me not to follow him but I did until the cops showed up. After the whole situation, the cops told me if I wanted to press charges, they would need to give me a sobriety check. Being that I had drink I choose not to file charges and had my insurance deal with it. Concealed weapons don't always help because I experienced that too. We were out numbered and my friend pulled his gun. Well one of the other guys had a gun too and pulled his gun and shot my best friend. I spent the nite in jail while detectives question me and 3 friends. Bad experienced but taught me valuable lesson. Best thing you can do is fight back or run. Having weapons can sometimes bring more harm then good even if you are protecting yourself. If you have the time press charges.
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OP sorry that happened to you but a good word of advice that they taught us in the military and LE schools is to always always be aware of your surroundings and know how to exit. Know your run routes and where to go, know the area and safe places. We are taught this. Put some angles between you and your pursuers. You have too. Don't let someone beat on you. Fight back. Use a brick or a board or something. You will not get in trouble and will not get sued. They struck first. You have rights.
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Most thugs/folks see an armed person, guess what happens in the real world? They move to the next target. Trust me, seen it happen. Ask yourself this question. If you saw a law abiding citizen at Albertos with a sawed off shotgun or Desert Eagle .50 AE on his person, are you going to sit there and tell me you would pick a fight with him/her just because you are hungry and have no money? No you wouldn't. I remember I was up at a gun shop in Puyallup Washington a couple years ago and a young man was walking downtown heading to the gun shop with a Benelli M4 on his back. Police came and went and passed him. No thug would have approached him to steal money or food. He has rights.
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And to the other posters above who ask how I could sleep if I shot the assailants instead of getting beat up? Answer for you: Like a baby. Know why? Because if I draw on them and assume officer stance as above -- and they keep advancing, they are asking for it. The outcome would be that not only did they not attack me, they aren't around to attack anyone else in the future either. I'm not sure about CA laws in that situation, sounds like the democrats have ruined CA through and through at this point. However in SYG states like FL here, there would be no court process, you would be going home immediately after. Just look at the Trayvon/Zimmerman case -- they -correctly- released Zimmerman because they had evidence that he was not the aggressor. The only reason he was ever arrested and tried is because the 'court of public opinion' and blowhards like Al Sharpton (and most of the liberal-dominated media) wanted to lynch a white guy. I'm SO glad that they failed, and because of it, our laws down here stand as they always have. |
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California is pretty bad with their gun laws. Most free states have concealed carry, thus a lot less thugging but more stealing of controlled medications. lol Go figure. You can't win. lol
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That said, in nearly all situations where you will draw your firearm, you will immediately begin engaging your targets, reducing or eliminating the chance of any retaliation from them, armed or not. I also agree with some of the above posters in regard to training -- just carrying a weapon isn't enough, far from it. Without proper training, you really might end up dead or just getting pistol whipped with your own firearm. Carrying one is a serious responsibility, not something to be taken lightly as just another 'security measure.' |
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Most average/street thugs have 380s or 9mm or even a 45. If they see you have either of these, trust me they will walk. I was the guy that walked in my situation. You can have any hand gun in the world, as soon as I see a shotgun and hear it cycled the bet is off, I am out of there. I do see what you are saying and it happens, you're right but smarter folks that are level headed will understand once they see that shotgun. So this brings me back to what I stated earlier. Know your surroundings, know your escape routes and know what you can and cannot deal with as far as fist fighting goes.
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At the risk of seeming argumentative, which I'm not trying to do, maybe and maybe not. A sober, rationale person would likely respond to this. A guy hopped up on meth, maybe, maybe not. Drugs (including alcohol) affect folks by their very nature and can lead to irrationale, unpredictable and wild behaviour that don't respond to common sense or reason.
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