Well... 1984 was a bit early...

H2O_Doc · 12-31-2022, 10:31 PM

Hyperbole and hysteria is alive and well.

BMWILUVU · 12-31-2022, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

It probably has an "event recorder," but not a tracking device like OnStar.

Our cars have GPS position, it wouldn't take much to begin logging it and relay that information in real-time or at a point-in-time. The DME controls everything in the car, its fathomable that a message to the DME could trigger a series of drive-train faults as a kill switch of sorts or worse.

ezaircon4jc · 12-31-2022, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Our03z4

You don't think it will eventually be used for other things, speeding or such or even just hitting your "carbon limit for the week"? Don't give an inch or they'll take it a mile, ya know the whole snowball thing is real.

There's a rental car company in FL that uses a tracking device to monitor the renter's speed. They will send a speeding ticket to the renter. This was a few years ago, so that info may be dated.

I remember a story out of New England some years back where a woman was charged with manslaughter after she lost control of her SUV at night on black ice and hit a tree, killing her passenger. The police used OnStar tracking for evidence.

ezaircon4jc · 12-31-2022, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

Our cars have GPS position, it wouldn't take much to begin logging it and relay that information in real-time or at a point-in-time. The DME controls everything in the car, its fathomable that a message to the DME could trigger a series of drive-train faults as a kill switch of sorts or worse.

But does the GPS transmit & receive or just receive?

iminhell1 · 01-01-2023, 02:45 AM

With BMW, look into MULF data. There is no interaction with the DME I am aware of.
Any vehicle computer that can do 'over the air' updates could be remotely deactivated. That's been covered fairly heavily in car hacking.

It seems we forget that automobile travel is a privilege and not a right. There are a great many of us who've abused that and basically ruined it for the rest.
Impaired drivers account for the vast majority of traffic incidents, directly or indirectly. Saving lives is the FMVSS's job. Seatbelts, SRS, autonomous braking, collision avoidance, etc, etc. This is just another tool they want to use to reach the zero deaths goal.

I have averaged around 20,000 miles a year and can tell you that in my little half a million or so miles traveled so far that I should have not driven a handful of times. Someone should have taken my keys.

Our03z4 · 01-01-2023, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

There's a rental car company in FL that uses a tracking device to monitor the renter's speed. They will send a speeding ticket to the renter. This was a few years ago, so that info may be dated.

I remember a story out of New England some years back where a woman was charged with manslaughter after she lost control of her SUV at night on black ice and hit a tree, killing her passenger. The police used OnStar tracking for evidence.

I know that for a fact. My brother rented a car from Hertz (a franchise location) and a tracker was apparently set to alert if going over 100mph. He had to immediately return the car. We he shouldn't have been doing anyway.

I have trackers in all of my work vehicles that monitor everything.

ezaircon4jc · 01-01-2023, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by iminhell1

With BMW, look into MULF data. There is no interaction with the DME I am aware of.
Any vehicle computer that can do 'over the air' updates could be remotely deactivated. That's been covered fairly heavily in car hacking.

It seems we forget that automobile travel is a privilege and not a right. There are a great many of us who've abused that and basically ruined it for the rest.
Impaired drivers account for the vast majority of traffic incidents, directly or indirectly. Saving lives is the FMVSS's job. Seatbelts, SRS, autonomous braking, collision avoidance, etc, etc. This is just another tool they want to use to reach the zero deaths goal.

I have averaged around 20,000 miles a year and can tell you that in my little half a million or so miles traveled so far that I should have not driven a handful of times. Someone should have taken my keys.

Automobile travel may be a privilege, but travel is a Constitutional right:

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00013789/['travel']

3.0L · 01-01-2023, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Automobile travel may be a privilege, but travel is a Constitutional right:

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00013789/['travel']

And like any privilege or "right", it must be done responsibly. No?

ASAP · 01-01-2023, 05:16 PM

If driving was a privilege... we'd see far fewer cars on the road...but that's not how America works...

ezaircon4jc · 01-01-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.0L

And like any privilege or "right", it must be done responsibly. No?

Yes, which is why most laws are unconstitutional. One should be allowed to yell "fire" in a theater when there isn't one, but if they do, there should be dire consequences. The problem with society today there are no consequences, just excuses.

Tyga11 · 01-01-2023, 05:26 PM

I’m fine with it. Too many morons on the road driving drunk. I would sacrifice my rights or whatever to bring drunk driving deaths down.

Your odds of dying in a car crash is 1:100. That’s insane

3.0L · 01-01-2023, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

If driving was a privilege... we'd see far fewer cars on the road...but that's not how America works...

I view driving (and piloting aircraft) as a privilege because one must obtain a license to legally exercise the privilege. And presumably, one must get some training to pass the driving (flying) tests.

So the question is, if driving is a "right" there would be no requirement to obtain a license?

ASAP · 01-01-2023, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 3.0L

I view driving (and piloting aircraft) as a privilege because one must obtain a license to legally exercise the privilege. And presumably, one must get some training to pass the driving (flying) tests.

So the question is, if driving is a "right" there would be no requirement to obtain a license?

let's be 100% honest with each other... in the USA, a drivers license is a $20 road tax lol... there is no real test and the parking lot attempt at driving may as well be done in bumper cars... Germany seems to have a far more serious approach to this... it takes some people a year to get it

dradernh · 01-01-2023, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyga11

Your odds of dying in a car crash is 1:100. That’s insane

Has this caused you to reduce the number of trips you take by automobile?

It would be interesting to see the odds for different parts of the country (e.g., MSAs). I'm inclined to think it consistently varies by a fair amount, but maybe not.

Maynard · 01-01-2023, 11:04 PM

I'm thinking from this that they can track you, but if they could deactivate the car then they would have done it.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/bmw-tra...20to%20do%20so.

________ · 01-01-2023, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maynard

I'm thinking from this that they can track you, but if they could deactivate the car then they would have done it.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/bmw-tra...20to%20do%20so.

What threw you off? The “could not get it into gear” part?

Guys, you’re fooling yourselves.

With remote start available in BMWs the sky is the limit already. You’re driving cars that have the same technology OnStar provides. This is no reason not to buy a GM vehicle. All cars do this now…

Soul_Glo · 01-02-2023, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by M_Six

I don't understand why they've never pushed for simple, common sense safety features like automatic headlights in low light or if the windshield wipers are running. I see so many idiots driving in poor light or visibility conditions with no headlights on. Making headlights come on automatically under low light or rain situations would be a minor and inexpensive fix.

You sir retired way to early. GM could learn a thing or two from you.

M_Six · 01-02-2023, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Glo

You sir retired way to early. GM could learn a thing or two from you.

I'm sure GM and all the other car makers know this. They just won't do anything as a standard feature if they can charge extra for it unless they're forced to do so.

Soul_Glo · 01-02-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by M_Six

I'm sure GM and all the other car makers know this. They just won't do anything as a standard feature if they can charge extra for it unless they're forced to do so.

True.

Maynard · 01-03-2023, 03:46 PM

To be fair, they'll jump on anything that they think will sell more cars, but there really isn't any buzz for anything besides the 'bigger is better' hype; safety is just totally uncool. I don't think I've ever seen a car review highlight safety features - at least not for performance cars. Occasionally you'll see something in a Volvo writeup, or rarely for people-movers (minivans and utes). But slap on a set of +1wheels and add 10 HP and you've got BRAGGING RIGHTS.

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iminhell1 C2H5OH 3915 Rep 2,144 Posts Drives: 2010 SG 135i auto Join Date: May 2015 Location: Darwin, MN iTrader: (1)	With BMW, look into MULF data. There is no interaction with the DME I am aware of. Any vehicle computer that can do 'over the air' updates could be remotely deactivated. That's been covered fairly heavily in car hacking. It seems we forget that automobile travel is a privilege and not a right. There are a great many of us who've abused that and basically ruined it for the rest. Impaired drivers account for the vast majority of traffic incidents, directly or indirectly. Saving lives is the FMVSS's job. Seatbelts, SRS, autonomous braking, collision avoidance, etc, etc. This is just another tool they want to use to reach the zero deaths goal. I have averaged around 20,000 miles a year and can tell you that in my little half a million or so miles traveled so far that I should have not driven a handful of times. Someone should have taken my keys.
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Maynard Colonel 3848 Rep 2,873 Posts Drives: 228iX & M2C Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Upstate NY iTrader: (1)	To be fair, they'll jump on anything that they think will sell more cars, but there really isn't any buzz for anything besides the 'bigger is better' hype; safety is just totally uncool. I don't think I've ever seen a car review highlight safety features - at least not for performance cars. Occasionally you'll see something in a Volvo writeup, or rarely for people-movers (minivans and utes). But slap on a set of +1wheels and add 10 HP and you've got BRAGGING RIGHTS.
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