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08-23-2007, 11:48 AM | #47 | |
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I'm also very gun shy about all the electronics. I'm not kidding around, my car was a disaster. 9.5 weeks in the shop the last year I owned it. All of it ECU/Sensor related. At the end I wanted to take a sledge to the ECU. |
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08-23-2007, 12:16 PM | #49 |
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Erm......no again. The lowest gear you can engage by clicking the paddle and moving down the box is first. To engage neutral you pull the lever left towards you. Or, you pull both paddles whilst driving to recalibrate the shift learning aspect of drivelogic. |
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08-23-2007, 01:06 PM | #51 |
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Does your M coupe have SMG? What's your opinion on SMG, DCT vs. manual?
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08-23-2007, 01:08 PM | #52 |
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Right....you can't shift to "neutral" using the paddles. Move the SMG lever(center console) to the middle, "0", or "N" position. My '02 goes to "0", but I'm told newer SMG's actually say "N".
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08-23-2007, 01:47 PM | #53 |
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Each time you request a downshift the ECU and TCU talk and decide if an over-rev situation is immenent. If so the shift is aborted. If not there is a rev match and the SMG system makes the shift. I don't remember how it handles two quick downshift paddle clicks. mofomat? |
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08-23-2007, 01:48 PM | #54 |
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Nice to see the enthusiasts, who like myself, abhore all this electronic garbage. Lucid, I had no idea you were thinking about 6MT, welcome to the club. If the electronics actually functioned as intended past the first year, let alone past warranty they might be a nice addition. In paraphrasing Todd, BMW electronics are notoriously horrid. BMW needs to take a page from their Asian counterparts and test new electronic technology adnauseum before implementing. BMW, on the other hand has this ego problem where they have to continually prove they are the best engineers in the world by rushing technology to market in order to lay claim of the latest and greatest... lay claim they do - warranty work. Swamp gets me to the point where I strongly consider DCT, due to it's touted improved performance and efficiency, then I read on M5 board about all the SMG failures and BMW's refusal to CPO the cars or offer extended warranties. How long have BMW's engineers been working on this transmission and still can't get it right? I also like the idea, in theory of EDC, however, same concerns about reliability and cost of repair. I do think if one is going to get the 19 inch wheels, EDC may be necessary to make the ride compliant enough for long drives. 18 inch wheels should have enough sidewall to soften road imperfections without the need for EDC. Just hoping that staying away from M drive may somehow improve on center steering feel. I know Southlight doesn't think it will change anything. Epacy's lack of concern about the fade potential of the M3 brakes is remarkable. Notice BMW was smart enough to use track pads before handing over the M3 to journalist. Squeaked like buggers though. All these electronic gadgets as options and no brake upgrade even as an option is ludicrous. I thought the M Division standed for Motor Sport, not Grand Touring Weekend Jaunts. I guess the majority of buyers are looking to look good on the street.
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Ok well, its been years since I've driven one. Anyway, the point is you can put the car into neutral.
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08-23-2007, 02:55 PM | #56 | |
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FYI, it handles two clicks by shifting down two gears - assuming no overrev will occur. If an overrev will occur then it goes into the lowest gear you've asked it to where an overrev will not occur. Disclaimer: *As I remember it*. |
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08-23-2007, 03:29 PM | #57 | |
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I had SMG on my E46 M3 a few years ago. Best option I chose. I love SMG and it certainly doesn't take away from the driving experience. It just makes it different. I think the way forward is definitely automated manual gearboxes like SMG and DCT. I was scheduled to get the new M3 next month, but I delayed it to wait for the DCT. To me it's a no-brainer. My only reservation is that BMW make it too civilised (how I imagine the VW/Audi DSG gearbox to be although I've not driven one). |
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08-23-2007, 03:33 PM | #58 | |
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Conversely, if you request too high a gear and the engine would labour, it won't let you change that too. It won't automatically change gears at the red line though (not in manual mode). It will just bounce off the rev limiter. The help is just that. Help. It doesn't over-interfere at all. |
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08-23-2007, 03:52 PM | #59 | |
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08-23-2007, 04:10 PM | #60 |
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Please inform me of how you arrived at this impression. Better yet, how I gave this impression off?
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Probably mis spoke. It Just seems like anytime I or anyone else expresses concerns about the M3 brakes, or anything else, you seem to get defensive and for what reason? Thus, I figure you believe the M3 brakes are excellent shoes for your intended purposes. Again, I am only assuming.
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08-23-2007, 06:35 PM | #62 | |
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What "lever" are you talking about, the paddle or the gear shifter..? Explain what pulling both paddles does again.. "recalibrate the shift learning aspect of drivelogic." Whats does that mean, is that NEUTRAL. I'm trying to wrap my head around how smg and possible DSG will work. I never thought I'd ever consider this, but now I am so I am trying to frame up my driving style ans smoothness in my mind. I need to know, plz. IS it possible to be in neutral and still shift gears, such as using the gear shifter to put the car in neutral, then use the paddle shifters at he same time to select a gear so when you take the car out of neutral your in that gear ... ? Basically, how would you skip gears..? -Garrett |
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08-23-2007, 07:26 PM | #63 | |
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I couldn't give you a definite answer on either to be honest. |
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No. You're in neutral and that's it. The display has an 'N' there. Quote:
So the system automatically does what you were asking could be done manually by flicking the paddles. You cannot skip gears when changing down using the paddles or shift lever. It just runs though the gears in order, but very quickly, depending on how quick you initiate each shift. However, if you gradually approach a set of traffic lights for example, in fourth gear, and do not disengage the gear, the system will remain in fourth for a long time, and quite happily. But, imagine the lights change to green before you come to a complete stop, and you then press gas. If you haven't initiated a downshift to 3rd and then 2nd using either the left paddle or the shift lever yourself, the system will automatically select the most appropriate gear (2nd) immediately (and therefore skipping 3rd altogether), allowing you to accelerate away and not labour the engine. It's all very easy and intuative in practice, and it certainly doesn't take away from the driving experience for me. It's just a different experience. -Garrett[/QUOTE] |
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