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05-01-2014, 06:04 PM | #45 | |
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If I could drive a 991 911 as a daily, hell I would! But I am just turning 24 and purchased a house last December. All the cars I by are by me. I could for sure as hell go to my dad and say I want a 911(which he suggests before I ever bought a BMW) and would gladly help me, because he knows its a better car. But I dont and I like the satisfaction of knowing it was on my own. So BMW's are more reasonable for me For now....
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Probably with all the temp sensors and electronics BMW put in the car it will go into limp mode instead of self destructing and they won't have to give replacement engines under warranty. A 3.0 liter turbo engine for $70k does not make much sense. Last edited by V8FunNaturally; 05-01-2014 at 07:55 PM.. |
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Pure speculation. Without intimate (i.e. impossible) access to the engineers who made both this can not be concluded. But either way, mod either for significantly more power and their lifespans will be shortened.
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There really won't be more proof than this even after the car is released to mags or to the public. Dynos aren't inhernently accurate for absolute power predictions and BMW will never admit what the power is at sea level at standard temperature.
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I already accepted that F8x has much higher torque and power band (even higher area under the graph for both power and torque) than E9x. F8x M3/4 would be a great car for people who like forced induction type of performance car.
Yes, I know that at a high altitude (where I am at ~5400ft) FI has much less of power loss. However, having a 2 turbo cars in the past (late 90s), I would not want to go to that route again (at least for now). Cooling the turbo (w/ turbo timers), warm the engine oils, waste gauge, blow off valve, etc... no thanks. I will stick with NA E9x |
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All temps are engineered and accounted for, they are not a bomb waiting to self destruct. If modified then they can be, as they are exceeding there designed limits, just as ANY modded car does. I dont think BMW would sell a car such as the M3/4 as a turbo platform if it could not perform consistent laps in a hot environment without losing bulk horsepower. Just anti technology you seem.
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On top of that I would want the GT3 to keep me entertained.
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PS: one way BMW is lowering THEIR risk is by exploding the number of sensors for detecting abnormal data so the car will be put into limp mode instead of blowing the engine. Thanks, but i'll prefer the car that I can keep on the road, not at the repair bay at the dealer. You can bet mitigating under warranty repair risk was a huge part of this m3/m4 turbo design for bmw. In fact lowering HP performance can increase safety margin. At least on an NA engine, the HP is not depending on the density of boosted air. Last edited by V8FunNaturally; 05-01-2014 at 11:12 PM.. |
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If BMW could they would still be making these high powered N/A engines. a N/A performance engine has the right amount of tec in it. that guy saying you are anti technology is a true dumb comment. its so funny that people actually think all these companies are downsizing/adding turbos because is more technological advance or something. when really all they are trying to do is decrease size of engine for taxing reasons, and getting better MPG. PERIOD |
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I am pretty sure the 10s' turbos are far better than 90s' turbo. I remember when 300zx TT, Supra TT, RX7 TT, 3000GT VR4 TT era. When I had an RX7, it was constant headache to cool the oil (didnt have turbo timer). Warm up the oil far longer than NA cars. Not performing at optimum level after 1hr of stop&go traffic due to small intercooler. |
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I like turbos so I am looking forward to seeing some road tests in the magazines soon. With both naturally aspirated and turbo, performance can vary within a considerable range. Magazine road tests of the E60M5 ranged from about 114 to about 118 in the quarter, while tests of the F10M5 range from about 117 to about 123. Some of those tests may be transmission dependent -- I just took a quick look. Anyway, on the street, a good running E60M5 might beat a poor running F10M5.
The same may be true of the new M3 versus the old M3. Again, transmissions could be a factor. I am curious how the turbo cars do in the upper speed ranges compared to their naturally aspirated predecessors. I did not study this for the M5s during my quick look at specs. Sometimes turbo cars suffer a drop in performance the longer they are in boost, if the intercooler and turbo(s) are on the small side and oriented towards daily driving. We will know soon enough. Since I can't buy one of the new M3s, I hope my mods (x-pipe, meth tune, intake, and pulley) help suspect they will not be enough and that a supercharger will be required. |
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You E9x M3 guys crack me up with that last V8 thing. You do realize it was not only the last but actually also the first V8 in an M3, just like the S55 is the first turbo engine in an M3.
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the new engine makes more effort to get better MPG and decrease engine size. while the V8 revs to the sky, has crazy gearing etc.. there was no effort to really get good MPG. once everything is a little eco engine, cars like the V8 m3 will be sought out. |
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Its definitely made with the purpose of better fuel economy. But that doesn't make it a "little eco engine" like you get in some diesel hatchback for example.
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