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I just want to comment on something nobody has picked up yet. There're all kinds of car enthusiasts: brand enthusiasts (BMW, Ford, etc), model enthusiasts (Vette, M3, Mustang), and driving enthusiasts (driving for the pleasure of driving, whatever it is). Furthermore, each kind has a different bias, be it performance, modifications, racing, engine type, win car show trophies, or a combination of the above (and more). It's hard to describe, but you get my point, which is different kinds of enthusiasts (and there're DOZENS of combinations) will rarely agree on which car is better AND the reasons why . Having said the above, I'm a driving enthusiast with a NA V8 6MT bias (NA 6MT F6 is 2nd), without regard of price, brand, performance above a certain level (400HP is enough), or anything else. As such, the M3 is IMMENSELY more satisfying to drive than the GT 5.0. And that wouldn't change even if the GT cost $100K; that's what I mean by 'driving enthusiast'. I don't care if it's a bit quicker, brakes a bit shorter, or whatever else; it's the TOTAL PACKAGE. The M3 has all the perfornance I need, so anything above is totally irrelevant to me. And by the same token, the M3 is more satisfying to drive than other cars costing much more. No need to spend anything more than an M3 if you're like me. My bottom line is this: The Mustang drives like a truck by comparison, and that's without even considering its looks, which are a deal-breaker to me at any price. So there you have it folks. I expect very few to agree with me, but that's the way it is. We all like different things, even when we all are considered 'car enthusiasts'. Hope I didn't offend anybody . Last edited by JCtx; 09-13-2010 at 11:49 AM.. |
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If the next Mustang offers an IRS, DCT and a hard-top convertible, I will buy one. Even if they only get two out of three of those, it will probably be on my list.
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You may be a little off base on the second part about the "looks". I don't know if it status that he was talking about.Perhaps it is.... I don't know. I, personally dont give a rat's ass about status and think the car looks good from every angle except the rear...still not sold on the rear tail light design/shape. It will be fun to see how well they do in the reliability department over the next couple of years. |
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09-13-2010, 06:17 PM | #227 |
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You and I have been around this forum for a good while. I read your lengthy essay above, and all I can say is you have no clue what you're talking about in this case. More claimed power in S65, yes, 2hp and 100 ft lbs less torque. "Drives like a truck," you're out to lunch. Have you even driven a 2011 5.0? It's not the same car it was a few years ago. The best you can objectively say is that the are approximately equal performers. As for what is more satisfying, that gets a little more subjective, but having just climbed out of an M3, I find the '11 5.0 more satisfying. Your credibility is straining here, buddy.
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While the 5.0L has a larger displacement, it's 15lbs lighter than the S65. As much as I absolutely love the S65 in my M3, if I had to choose between a 5.0L or the 4.0L in the M3, there is little doubt I would go with the 5.0.
And on the technology of Ford engines just now getting into the 21st century, Ford launched their 4.6L DOHC in 1991. By 1997, all ford engines were DOHC with variable timing. Most of the European DOHC engines began life in the late 80's so it's not like Ford was decades behind the Europeans, more like just a couple of years. GM and Chrysler however are still churning out SOHC pushrod motors, minus the Northstar which hasn't been nearly as successful as the Ford Modular engine and is due to be phased out next year. Also of note, Ford is partnered with Getrag to produce DCT transmissions (Getrag produces the M3 tranny) and this years Focus, Fusion, and Fiesta have DCT trannys from Getrag. I would hedge a bet that the 2014 Mustang will have a DCT tranny similar to the M3's. Also since Lincoln has recommitted to a RWD sports sedan/coupe, we may see a Ford 5.0L N/A and Supercharged version to compete with the M3 around 2014, with DCT, EDC (or air ride), and multiple modes of sport, dynamic, and comfort. A little history, the Mark VIII which came out in 1992 had dynamically controlled air ride and a 300hp 4.6L DOHC engine. It was one of the best cars at that time, though heavy, it was a phenominal car.
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I'm pretty much the same as you on the cosmetics. The rear is iffy and I hate the antenna. What is this, 1985??? |
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actually the mustang has more power. bmw claimed more power, but the weak 350 rwhp dynos ive seen from the M3 get slaughtered by the GTs 380-390.
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I test drove the SHO for kicks. I'm sure i could get used to the paddle shifters, but the thought of a transverse motor mount gave me the willys. It did have a computer distributing the torque so it didnt have that strong front wheel drive feel to it, but the steering still felt artificial. Lots of power though. But for just a little more I think i'd prefer a less optioned 335xi or audi S4. If it didn't have that crappy transverse configuration, it would be a real competitor for less money.
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More power isn't going to fix the problems Scoobe mentioned. In fact, it will probably make them worse, if anything. Scoobe has mentioned a possible new RWD platform for Lincoln in the past, and that can't come soon enough, IMHO. If Ford want's to sell four door cars to enthusiasts, they need to get products like this on the market. |
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The SHO doesn't put out bad numbers, its actually a pretty descent performer. some of the engineers of the SHO said that the AWD could transfer 100% of the power to the rear, maybe with more HP at their disposal they could utilize this claim. |
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I never troll other sites, but I do like to read what other car people have to say about different models. Sometimes the fan boys run rampant and it is pretty comical.
I had time to kill and thought this article would have the bmw crowd all up in arms, but I have to say, you guys have it together over here. I was honestly amazed at how many people actually believed ford did a good job and like the car, even if they would not buy one themselves. There was very little hatin just because the mustang is not a bmw. And you guys do a great job at policing BS info and keeping people honest. Sad to say, the mustang forums I visit are way more biased and fan boyish than you guys. Its a refreshing change from so many other sites (camaro, cough*mustang*cough, challenger.) |
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Nice post! I also appreciate it when people can be brand agnostic and look at a particular car objectively.
I was also pleasantly surprised at the balance on this particular thread. I'm also an 8-time BMW owner (including an E93M) who recently purchased an '11 5.0. I'm impressed.
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