$80,000 E90/92 M3?

[UltimateBMW]

Just some bits of info that have been discussed at length in the M3 forums to help ease all your collective minds as you scream 80k wtf.

First is, the e46 M3 (last gen) had a MSRP of $48k. For the e92 M3 to have a MSRP of over $60k that is a near 50% mark up over the last generation. That won't happen.

Secondly, the price has been estimated by many journalists and the guesses have been everywhere from mid 50s to 80k. BMW has not officially released a price and when they do, do you really think it will be to some KTLA reporter? I doubt it.

Third, the RS4 had a $80k price for the duration of its life time while the e46 M3 remained $48k. The RS4 has been debated and found to be in a different class than the M3. While their performance may be similar that isn't all of the equation that is automobile class. Also, BMW is not going to price match the car to Audi, it will be what they deem appropriate.

Forth, many price comparisons have been done for the current M5 (e60) to the last generation M5 (e39). As well as the price difference between the current and last gen top of the line 5 series to the M5. There was found to be an overall compounded 30% mark up from the top 5 series to the M5. Following this logic it was found that the new M3 would end up around mid $50k's.

Lastly, in terms of auto pricing in the US compared to other countries you can NOT directly use currency conversion to predict prices. It simply doesn't work like that, as some one above mentioned its more about market share and the US market has extremely lower prices than the rest of the world for automobiles. This is only exaggerated when you include lower import taxes and different available options. All other M cars' prices from BMW Europe do not match the BMW NA price through the currency conversion. Not to mention that $80 is only about 5k off from the M5 price, which would be absurd for BMW to price both cars so closely together when there is such a drastic difference between them.

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Just some bits of info that have been discussed at length in the M3 forums to help ease all your collective minds as you scream 80k wtf.

Many price comparisons have been done for the current M5 (e60) to the last generation M5 (e39). As well as the price difference between the current and last gen top of the line 5 series to the M5. There was found to be an overall compounded 30% mark up from the top 5 series to the M5. Following this logic it was found that the new M3 would end up around mid $50k's.

Great points. That being said, after options and CA taxes, mid $55-56k base price should bring the total price out the door to $65-69k.

If the dealer decides to mark-up, which will be unlikely if they plan on moving many units, the price will be in the low $70s.

Thus, editors and people alike throw numbers like 'almost $80k' around.

[junwoni]

$80+k isn't a good idea for 3 series M cars, because it would scare of lots of buyer away to choose other higher level options like porsche, MB, etc...

[UltimateBMW]

I wouldn't call a MB a higher level option. As for porsches, I think the higher level would end up causing you to shell out near $100k. So the real worry here is the new GT-R that is coming by Nissan, but those will be limited to 2000 units per year and will have a extreme mark up. So good luck getting one of those.

BMW is planning on the M3 being popular so I really doubt there will be any mark up for difficulty at all getting one.

[GTAutoConcepts]

Originally Posted by scottp999

If it is 75k to 80k including taxes, tags and title they are going to lose a ton of people off the waitlist. If it's 75k to 80k before taxes, tags, and title they might lose everyone. Will be fun to watch, since I am not buying one. I'm thinking 62k base and 72k out the door for a fully loaded coupe, but more hopeful people believe a base coupe price will be 59k not 62-65k.

The US dollar is in toilet paper status, so a major price shock would not suprise me. They are smart for not announcing the pricing until the last second.

agree, im definitely not interested anymore if thats the price. i'd rather buy a used 2006 m5 and mod the hell out of it. the m5 prices are dropping like crazy and im loving it cause i want one

[NaTuReB0Y]

$80,000 for a 3 series on steroids......

but if people are willing to pay for it..........why not?

[ojungoon]

man! If I could walk out of the dealer with brand new m3
for 75k here in Canada, iwould take the car and run like
HELL!!!

People pay around 70k out-the-door for loaded 335!
i should stop complaining and move to the states

[drvai]

IT'S OBVIOUS that the journalist was mis-informed..... (this is very common among them).

All the reason have already said. I wouln't buy an M3 for that kind of money!! And you had to be more than crazy to do it!

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by westwest888

I heard it's going to be $180k, and they're only going to make 50 of them, and they'll be sold out in 90 seconds like the Neiman Marcus M6, and you need to felate a dealer to get one.

Enter stage left: lucid, ephacy and the gang. They say "well that's the price based on the double top in gold against fiat currencies laid over Audi's 2005 pricing and if you're not ready to felate that dealer, I am."

AHHHHHHHH. WestWest you are a true shakespeare. To be 180K or not to be, that is the question.

[Epacy]

Originally Posted by westwest888

I
Enter stage left: lucid, ephacy and the gang. They say "well that's the price based on the double top in gold against fiat currencies laid over Audi's 2005 pricing and if you're not ready to felate that dealer, I am."

Wow, I feel honored that you were thinking of me...

[lucid]

Originally Posted by westwest888

Enter stage left: lucid, ephacy and the gang. They say "well that's the price based on the double top in gold against fiat currencies laid over Audi's 2005 pricing and if you're not ready to felate that dealer, I am."

Sorry, I know nothing about the double top in gold prices. You've got the wrong character.

[swamp2]

This thread was dead when it started and then dead again on 11/24 and 11/29. westwest - cut the over dramatic sensationalism on top of a thread already way too full of that. No need to post here in the first place then to add dissing of regular members on top of it.

[Voltigeur]

Originally Posted by BMWE90

+1 on everything that has been said. $80k is too much $ for an M3. I guess it's gonna be veryyyy exclusive now.

+1 The EUR/USD tanking is a disaster for BMW AG. Yes, they have some production in SC - but not the M's. So each M is being made in a labor market with some of the highest hourly rates on the planet, by master techs who get paid a premium above the already-elevated hourly German auto-werker rate in a currency that is at least 20% overvalued.

Also, there's likely to be a still-weaker consumer on both sides of the Atlantic in 2008 - so BMW either has to eat some more USD pain :sad0147: to move the M3 in a MAJOR market or watch sales slow after the initial launch fever has died.

At that level give me a low mileage Carrera S, thanks - or GT-R (I suspect these will command a premium though ... $80s).

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

I had a thread regarding this...

Decided to keep my 335 i Turbo / and pick up a 997 C2S black on black / carbon fiber...

Only mod for my 335 i will be a procede V2.02 / Catless DP's / Re-worked intercooler piping to run a high 11

However, M3 is still cool

[lucid]

Originally Posted by westwest888

They're not going to raise the price 20% over the outgoing model and lose customers to upmarket brands just because of a cyclical swing in the forex markets.

The 20% increase in the price from the 2006 model year has nothing to do with the forex markets. Check the increase in the European markets and you'll see.

[ZeroG]

This entire thread is a prime example of why the US market never received the Euro version of the E36 M3 with the S50B30 & B32 engines....

Back in the 90s BMW felt that an American was not willing to spend $50K on an E36 M3 so they came out with the US version that was nothing more than a beefed up 328 with a new head, crank, and cams.

It looks like they were right then, and they might be wrong now... It appears that Americans are still not willing to pay the price of BMW performance.

[drvai]

Paying twice as much as a 335? How would be people be willing?

[NaTuReB0Y]

Originally Posted by drvai

Paying twice as much as a 335? How would be people be willing?

some dumb bimbo will have her daddy buy it for her......

my local dealer was selling the 335i cabrio for $76k.........so $80k for a M3 is reasonable.

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by NaTuReB0Y

sound dumb bimbo will have her daddy buy it for her......

my local dealer was selling the 335i cabrio for $76k.........so $80k for a M3 is reasonable.

That's sad but true. Mark-up is rampant.

[GTAutoConcepts]

i was told by the sales manager at my dealership the coupe will be around $70000 stock. one will be arriving at my dealership early next year, cant wait to see it

[man02195]

This is slightly OT, but has some price and availability data for the 1 series, and maybe the M3 data will be coming out soon.

On March 22, 2008, the all-new BMW 1 Series Coupes will go on sale in the US.

Base price for the 135i Coupe is $35,675. The 128i will be standardly equipped with a moonroof, automatic climate control, Dynamic Stability Control, multi-function steering wheel and 17" wheels!!! The 135i Coupe will have all the above plus the M Aerodynamic Kit, sports suspension, 18" wheels with performance tires, 6-piston high-performance brakes, Xenon Adaptive headlights and wood trim.

The online configurator should be available soon.

[Los Angeles]

Nope. I don't see BMWNA releasing the price for the new M3 until late Jan or Feb. 08.