New M3/M4 reviews are out, thoughts?

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by JRV

Isn't the C7 a huge improvement in every department aside from subjective looks? It's not like GM decided to slap on a V6 turbo this time around. I think it's a bit different. The corvette remained what a corvette is.

They did decide to put a SC on the new z06 which I'm not that much of a fan of.

[car_fan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Yes. And exactly to the bolded part.

Is the new M3/M4 a new gen Grand National? hahah

Nah the Grand National Sylcone/Typhoon triplets and to a lesser degree The T/A with the same engine were outliers for their class at the time. They beat up on all their competition in a straight line at least

Those "GN's" especially the GNX versions in clean condition swap hands for decent $$$$ nowadays

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by car_fan

Nah the Grand National Sylcone/Typhoon triplets and to a lesser degree The T/A with the same engine where outliers for their class at the time. They beat up on all their competition [I]in a straight line at least[/I]

Seems like that's what 85% of M3 owners care about these days...

[car_fan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Seems like that's what 85% of M3 owners care about these days...

You got that right. The ///M recipe has changed. Think artificial sweeteners vs. natural pure cane sugar. Both are sweet but I prefer the latter

[dmk08]

Performance of this car is impressive but I have a feeling that I'll be glad I waited for the 2nd year model. Kinks are coming I'm sure.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

They did decide to put a SC on the new z06 which I'm not that much of a fan of.

i would also prefer a N/A setup. but it could be worse if they put a turbo on it.

[FormulaMMM]

Latest from Autocar.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Latest from Autocar.

Ack!

[G80indy]

Visited the Welt tonight. Saw them for the first time. These colors do not do it for me. I hope to reevaluate in a different color.

These incoming reviews seem mixed.

[klammer]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Latest from Autocar.

Looks like I'll be keeping my E90 indefinitely...never thought I'd hear a review where the M3(4) would have more torque than the C63 but the steering would be better and the pick would be the merc...and not the new one either.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by 330indy

Visited the Welt tonight. Saw them for the first time. These colors do not do it for me. I hope to reevaluate in a different color.

These incoming reviews seem mixed.

Yea someone need to get fired at BMW land. There is a deeper blue 4 series driving around my way and it looks stunning, an eye catcher. The M version looks like my sons room.

[dogbone]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Latest from Autocar.

Yikes. That's a worse review than I ever thought I'd see. Let's trot out an old C63 and then say we like it better than the new M4…….

He couldn't wait to bag on the engine. I mean seriously, when the fat steering wheel is the first thing you talk about, you know the review is heading the wrong direction…..

[gthal]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Latest from Autocar.

This is surprising... and disappointing... for the M4. It seems that the E92 M3 compared more favourably to the C63 It's amazing what an engine does for a car... and he's also right about sound. Get the sound right and everything about the car comes more alive.

I'll reserve judgment until I can drive an M4 but not what I had expected at this point. Most new cars get raving reviews when they first come out but not this time.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by gthal

This is surprising... and disappointing... for the M4. It seems that the E92 M3 compared more favourably to the C63 It's amazing what an engine does for a car... and he's also right about sound. Get the sound right and everything about the car comes more alive.

I'll reserve judgment until I can drive an M4 but not what I had expected at this point. Most new cars get raving reviews when they first come out but not this time.

Welcome to the beginnings of our world. We hope you'd join us, and enjoy the show (video taken 8 years ago, and was a hint at the direction BMW performance was headed):

[G80indy]

Wow the media reviews have started and some are just not holding back.

Meanwhile
At the Welt: The M4 has a good patch of clear film in front of the rear fender well for stone chips.
The M3 less so; more like a strip along that narrow outcropping for the same purpose.
Probably not real visible in these pics.
The fronts look mean with the lights on, the only part that drew me in. The back views--- not so much.
Of course this is aesthetics.
While these reviews are all about the driving... Just thought I'd share my experience on the ground here in Munich.

[G80indy]

A bit of an additional gripe!!!

Just saw this at our hotel:
A 420d vert, with M badges !!!!!
Pictures may not be great.

Oh yeah, from the factory....
Serious performance!
:-/

[W///]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

Sutcliffe has problems with the engine and feel of the car and now this review again mentions problems and it's pretty clear there is trouble in M land.

Personally, I'd take his review with a grain of salt. He was also very critical of the e92 M3's steering when it came out. While we'll all agree that it was more numb compared to the e46, who here actually thinks it's a disaster like he did? Exactly.

Not saying that the M3/4 is in the clear, but I'm waiting for more video reviews. Better yet, I'm waiting to drive one myself.

[W///]

Chris Harris' notes on the M3. Hope it's not a repost for everyone:

Would you?
Absolutely. I loved my E92, but it was surprisingly limited as my daily driver. Opportunities to enjoy that motor beyond 7,000 were predictably limited, the lack of torque left you exposed to turbo hot hatches and, well, you know my thoughts on the range.
This car rights all of those wrongs. In isolation, the motor gets blown into next week by the current C63 507 for pure noise and theatre, but on the road the BMW's fuel consumption and massive torque would swing it for me. Sounds boring, but that's what matters in a daily driver.Not to mention the transmission which makes the Merc's feel pretty antiquated now. And I still think the powertrain feels special enough for an M car.

The rest of the package is BMW M at its best. I think it's a truly special car. It made me smile for the two days that I drove it. When the video comes out in the next few weeks, watch the section where we talk through the level of modification over standard 3er. This car is 50 per cent new.

It's a blinder. I'll have the saloon, the dampers, the big brakes, the DCT, and probably the baby blue. So exactly the car I drove on the launch then.

Chris


http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=30002

[deletedelete]

Originally Posted by W///

Chris Harris' notes on the M3. Hope it's not a repost for everyone:

Would you?
Absolutely. I loved my E92, but it was surprisingly limited as my daily driver. Opportunities to enjoy that motor beyond 7,000 were predictably limited, the lack of torque left you exposed to turbo hot hatches and, well, you know my thoughts on the range.
This car rights all of those wrongs. In isolation, the motor gets blown into next week by the current C63 507 for pure noise and theatre, but on the road the BMW's fuel consumption and massive torque would swing it for me. Sounds boring, but that's what matters in a daily driver.Not to mention the transmission which makes the Merc's feel pretty antiquated now. And I still think the powertrain feels special enough for an M car.

The rest of the package is BMW M at its best. I think it's a truly special car. It made me smile for the two days that I drove it. When the video comes out in the next few weeks, watch the section where we talk through the level of modification over standard 3er. This car is 50 per cent new.

It's a blinder. I'll have the saloon, the dampers, the big brakes, the DCT, and probably the baby blue. So exactly the car I drove on the launch then.

Chris


http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=30002

So everyone is saying that BMW decided to make this car swing even more towards a daily driver rather than sports car. I can't stand the direction M is taking. Torque filled, high mpg grocery getters.

[Koldun]

Originally Posted by 330indy

A bit of an additional gripe!!!

Just saw this at our hotel:
A 420d vert, with M badges !!!!!
Pictures may not be great.

Oh yeah, from the factory....
Serious performance!
:-/

Uh is that real? Wow. M badges on an entry-level diesel?

It's official, ///M is dead. And for all the people saying, "people have been meaning about the death of M since the E36 was released, where do you draw the line?" This. This right here is where I draw the line. SUVs, EPS, turbos, and now M-badged diesels? Oh yeah, this is the line.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Koldun

Uh is that real? Wow. M badges on an entry-level diesel?

It's official, ///M is dead. And for all the people saying, "people have been meaning about the death of M since the E36 was released, where do you draw the line?" This. This right here is where I draw the line. SUVs, EPS, turbos, and now M-badged diesels? Oh yeah, this is the line.

Not sure I understand why. You can buy a Porsche Macan with a diesel engine. Does that mean you wouldn't buy a GT3? Personally I couldn't care less what Marketing decides to do (yes, any Msport cars gets ///M stickers now). It's all irrelevant as long as the cars that I care about, i.e M2/3/4 are still special cars. Personally, I can't wait to see what they do with the M2, irregardless whether they have ///M SUV's or not.

[Koldun]

Originally Posted by Sered

Why would you put an Akra exhaust in your little list there? That's like the worst possible $/hp mod you can make to this platform. Overpriced and overrated.

Thank you for saying what needed to be said years ago.