Dinan vs. Macht Schnell Intakes?

W Cole · 12-13-2012, 03:17 PM

Should the performance gains between the two be pretty similar? I know the Dinan does not include intake scoops.

Rshane · 12-13-2012, 03:27 PM

Stock intake is very efficient. There are no real gains to be made with an aftermarket intake, best option is just a decent drop in filter.

tiato · 12-13-2012, 03:55 PM

Bimmerworld recorded 8+ HP increase with the Macht Schnell on their ex Grand Am E92 M3. For GA, BW used a stock engine, stock intake, Motec engine managment and unrestricted header back exhaust. From what I understand this was the only change to the aforementioned package.

Rapture · 12-13-2012, 04:04 PM

The Macht Schnell intake makes a noticeable difference in power and sounds great too. For the dollar/power ratio I would go MS versus the Dinan.

The Macht Schnell Stage 2 made +10-12WHP and +5-10WTQ on my car. More importantly, the MS Stage 2 made more power than a drop in filter alone.

Here is my thread detailing the dyno findings
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570629

SV Concepts · 12-13-2012, 04:04 PM

We ran an Active Autowerke drop in filter on a customer's M3 initially and then swapped it out for the Dinan intake. Other than the Dinan adding a very nice bit of CF to the engine bay performance was about the same.

Templar · 12-13-2012, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SV Concepts

We ran an Active Autowerke drop in filter on a customer's M3 initially and then swapped it out for the Dinan intake. Other than the Dinan adding a very nice bit of CF to the engine bay performance was about the same.

+1

Drop in filter and call it a day...

BPMSport · 12-13-2012, 04:50 PM

+1 to drop in filter. Dinan one is very aesthetically pleasing though.

tom @ eas · 12-13-2012, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W Cole

Should the performance gains between the two be pretty similar? I know the Dinan does not include intake scoops.

Both will provide similar gains, the Macht Schnell is about 1/2 the cost of the carbon Dinan piece.

Go with whatever makes you feel better.

FogCityM3 · 12-22-2012, 10:40 AM

MS has S&B filter...according to tests done by S&B, particle filtration is slightly better than K&N (filter used by Dinan) or AFE. S&B uses exact same material on all their filters and they post comparative tests for their direct sold filters for trucks on their website. The MS and Dinan intakes have a similar larger cross-sectioned elbow design.

There are several videos out there with Steve Dinan and how Dinan improved upon the E60 M5 intake. These videos demonstrate 1) not all hp is necessarily maxed out by the factory for many different reasons; 2) improvements are possible and testable; 3) Dinan actually spends so much time engineering stuff like intakes and every theoretical design is tested in the real world and oftentimes they have found designs that theoretically should have worked better but didn't in practice.

The facilities that Dinan has in Morgan Hill and what they do for racing and street (both BMW and other engines such as Ferrari) is impressive and probably the best outside of Europe, so when they say something (or produce something with advertised hp gains, which btw happens to be smaller vs everyone else's), chances are it's pretty credible.

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tiato New Member 0 Rep 29 Posts Drives: IS e36, '08 e90 M3 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Bimmerworld recorded 8+ HP increase with the Macht Schnell on their ex Grand Am E92 M3. For GA, BW used a stock engine, stock intake, Motec engine managment and unrestricted header back exhaust. From what I understand this was the only change to the aforementioned package.
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FogCityM3 Colonel 499 Rep 2,400 Posts Drives: M3 (E90) & Porsche GT3 RS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	MS has S&B filter...according to tests done by S&B, particle filtration is slightly better than K&N (filter used by Dinan) or AFE. S&B uses exact same material on all their filters and they post comparative tests for their direct sold filters for trucks on their website. The MS and Dinan intakes have a similar larger cross-sectioned elbow design. There are several videos out there with Steve Dinan and how Dinan improved upon the E60 M5 intake. These videos demonstrate 1) not all hp is necessarily maxed out by the factory for many different reasons; 2) improvements are possible and testable; 3) Dinan actually spends so much time engineering stuff like intakes and every theoretical design is tested in the real world and oftentimes they have found designs that theoretically should have worked better but didn't in practice. The facilities that Dinan has in Morgan Hill and what they do for racing and street (both BMW and other engines such as Ferrari) is impressive and probably the best outside of Europe, so when they say something (or produce something with advertised hp gains, which btw happens to be smaller vs everyone else's), chances are it's pretty credible.
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