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I turn DSC off a couple times here and there, but I tend to back off with it off. When I have MDM on, it doesn't always get in my way, but there are times that it does One thing that I've done recently is turn DSC off, and if I feel uncomfortable while out, I just push the M button on the steering wheel and MDM comes back
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i recommend mdm until you get to the point that you are good enough to notice it intervene and actually prevent you from doing what you intend rather than help.
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Most of the time you can actually feel the intervention in the car's behavior, like a very slight power drop or a slight tug to one side. Usually when you get the light to flash, it's a big "whoaaa there" intervention. Last edited by CanAutM3; 02-24-2012 at 02:26 PM.. |
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These responses make me ever more curious about using MDM at the track. I will definitely have to try it for a session at my next event and see how intrusive it is or isn't and how it affects my lap times. As I've posted elsewhere, I once left DSC on by mistake at Laguna Seca in my old 330i and my lap times suffered by 5 whopping seconds. Anyone know how MDM affects your lap times?
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It definitely takes much longer for the warning light to start flashing in MDM mode than in normal DSC mode. This is why I assume that when the light flashes controls are ON and when the light is OFF controls are not interfering. Anyway, when I got the car new MDM was peace of mind. Slowly and carefully I have made the transition to DSC off completely. Now I don't use MDM except when it rains (= rarely). |
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MDM does bog you down on exit when you are squeezing on the gas with still some lateral load. MDM's traction circle is significantly smaller than what the tires will allow for sure. My goal this year is to ween myself off the nannies.
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I'm at the point where it really gets in the way. Most times, I forget to turn it off until it intervenes. I don't think the intervention is ever subtle...you can always feel it. Not sure about MDM but it has let me get quite sideways 3 times. Once at the 'ring and twice on a slippery bridge near my house.
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Well, since I'm relatively new at all this and it's also my wife's DD I run with MDM on at the track. I notice very little intervention, usually only on slow speed corners where it won't let me rotate the car. For me, the challenge is to be smooth enough to where MDM doesn't kick in and I find this to be a good compromise between lunacy and sanity at the track, for now. That being said, I used to track bikes and truly understand the point of smooth is fast, but don't really care about dropping a $6k bike vs. my baby so think I will still ease into things. Just giving my personal thoughts, as always, to each his own
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Actually DSC intervenes in different stages.... it's not just on and off. I've noticed the dsc light flashlight when I'm near the edge. If I keep pushing it or if the current dsc isn't effective it will escalate. Mdm has higher thresholds. Sometimes when I'm driving just at threshold of triggering it I notice the dsc light turns on but I don't feel it kick in - if I didn't notice the light I may not have known that dsc is working. One day I may try to add a buzzer or some audible feedback to the dsc light just for fun.
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One of the big reasons I go to the track is to drive the car near its limits and improve my car control skills. So MDM/DSC would be counterproductive. I am though curious to see how it affects lap times. |
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I have driven Steves car quite a bit and with 560 RWHP it really shows how intrusive these MDM type systems are especially in corners where the car goes light like corner 3 at Mosport.If you run with these systems on you will ever learn proper throttle control on a more powerful car which is critical if you want to get the maximum out of your higher powered rwd car.
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This video really shows the MDM(Comp) mode on the Vette engaging quite a bit in the video compared has to my M3 which has all the nannies turned off.The Vette has 560 RWHP.
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Looks almost like a karting track.
Back OT: I do not like to use DSC because you can't rotate the car, period. MDM allows for some (ZCP) and is a great middle ground. I only go DSC OFF if i bought track insurance for that weekend I don't have enough scratch right now to write this car off if totaled or even moderately damaged. Bottom line: If you ask about using DSC then you need to use it. |
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