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Growing up all my cars have been Mustang's, And I expect it to be true to it's Heritage. With that being Said, The E92 M3 is the Only Pony car I recognize Now. Like Everyone has said here, Great for Ford, And I agree, But they should have been Building cars Like this All along, They should have never allowed Germany to beat them at there own game, But they have, And I'm Never turning back. IMAO, If it was 5.0 to 5.0 V8's, what do you think the outcome would have been? Or 5.0 to 4.4? I am way more impressed with my 4 L than that 5 L. Go get'em S65!!!!!!!!
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I'm sure that in 35-50 years from now you'll be doing the same thing again.
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HOWEVER, the M3 is NOT a Ferrari and the Ferrari vs. Vette argument holds more water than the BMW vs Ford argument. BMW isn't near Ferrari's league, although there is some "it's still a Ford" argument to be had. Just not as much. I keep saying BMW needs to step up its game because $60,000 for an M3 and $50,000 for a 335iS is starting to be questionable. Not only that, but BMW seems to nickel and dime a lot on options. I'm fine with that, as long as the driveability and performance back up the premium. I'd still rather have the M3 over the Ford, but $30k makes you think. |
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Cost to drive an M3 100,000 miles has to cost more than driving the Ford 100,000 miles. BMW isn't necessarily known for its reliability and cheap repairs. The Gas mileage in town is also better on the Ford. |
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Did the 6MT M3 have ZCP?
Even if it did, the issue with this head-to-head is that Motortrend went all out upgrading everything on the Mustang to compete with the M3, but they didn't even consider the dual-clutch transmission for the M3. That would have given the M3 a significant advantage. This test was a tad skewed. You couldn't say it's on-par with the M3 when you don't max out performance on the M3. It's on-par with the 6MT M3, but it would fall flat on its face against a DCT M3. This is also 3 years after the M3 was released as well. That's not to say I don't appreciate the performance Ford has put into the Mustang GT this time around. That's mind-boggelingly impressive, especially for the price. Bravo Ford! |
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I've never seen a good comparison between the 2 brands. But the Conti SC3's are cheaper in price and they have a longer treadwear rating, so many folks just assume the Contis don't perform as well as the PS2's.
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The Mustang platform is even older, and a solid axle at that. Ford has just done a better job of tweaking to make an old platform reach it's max level of performance.
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What I would have found more intriguing would have been if motor trend put the M3 up against the GT 500. A fully loaded GT 500 on the ford web page is 55,300. That gives you 550hp and 510 or torque. It seems that MT put the GT vs the M3 because of the engine numbers but if an M3 owner was ever to consider a ford, I think it would more likely be the GT 500. The test would have been a lot more interesting. That car is a beast
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This is insane. A mustang is only a tenth of a second slower than an M3 ON A TRACK?!?!
A BIG Congrats to the Mustang and to Ford guys. What an achievement. Ford stepped their game way up and BMW took it too easy. Hope the new M3 really raises the bar. If not, the Z06 or GTR will do the trick. I'm trying to hold of on a P car as much as possible
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The new mustang is a great looking car too. Love those taillights when they are changing lanes. This is why Ford will survive the bad economy - a successful flagship model (and image).
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I've already seen a couple on the streets, never have I thought Mustangs could look so nice, and now they've got the performance to back it up too
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I'd love to see a similar comparison between the 2011 GT500 and M3.... that would be no contest. But the GT500 is still less money.
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+1 American cars need a face lift! I would be in a US car in a heart beat if the car had some cosmetics. Both interior and exterior! Too boxy and plain.
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As they say in football... "That's why you play the games". I am not suprised here. Ford has been smart and getting smarter about alot of things, (how much of my tax dollars paid for the GM bailout?). They led the way with the retro-lution in the American automotive world, (anyone think the Camero would look like that if the Mustang hadn't been so popular?). Didn't even Top Gear name them the world's best automaker? (for those who dont know, Ford makes cars everywhere).
I am by no means a Ford nut-hugger. I think they have done two things very well over the years; the Mustang and the F-150 (that's a truck for those that don't know). The M3 won... by less than a tenth... on a road track... and it is $26k more expensive... that is one very expensive tenth of a second. For those that want some mods to the M3, think about it for a second... the Mustang aftermarket is probably the most robust aftermarket in autosports... I love my M3, but you bet your bippie that I will be seriously considering the 2014 50th anniversary Mustang... Quote:
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Remember when the M3 beat the Porsche 911 Turbo in Car and Driver's BMW M3 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo comparo? () Wow, I bet some 911 Turbo owners were thinking, "WTF??"
And why did they not put the new Mustang against the new CTS-V and the new EDIT: RS5 that the M3 recently came out on top of? Because the M3 is still the benchmark, albeit the Cadillac and Audi are superb cars. I imagine you could make the same argument against the CTS-V and EDIT: RS5 - that they're really overpriced compared to a Mustang. It wouldn't be just the BMW. But it's always the benchmark that gets targeted. No question the new Mustang is amazing and great bang for the buck. And I hope this kind of publicity puts pressure on BMW to up their game. But it's apple to oranges to me.
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Motortrend? I've always seen them as a second class mag (with a domestic car bias) as compared to C&D and R&T. That said, the new Mustang looks great, and the interior is much better than the first generation of 1967 Mustang copies. Sounds like it's a great car for the money.
The Mustangs still have solid rear axles, right? I just wonder how they compare to our cars on the everyday roads that we all drive on?
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Oops, thanks for spotting the typo. It's RS5.
(This comparo: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413025)
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