E9x M3 LAP TIMES (Road Course)

[Jon@NL]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

The guy's running NT01's on all wheel drive. So yes, he should have fast times.

I did 1:46 on Direzza Zii street tires last season with stock oil and coolant coolers, and without the control arm bushings I haven now. This year I could probably do low 1:45. I am still learning how to drive on r comps as it is my first season on them. It is difficult for me to have the courage to push harder and harder without as much feedback as street tires give, especially as I know I have to drive the car three hours home afterwards. I am also discovering I need to run much stiffer suspension settings with Nittos. I feel like I wasted half of my season running too soft settings...but it is all part of the learning process.

Can't wait until next year. Until then there is always iracing...

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

The only guy on this thread who did that in an E92 M3 did a 2:40 Bigjay1976 (sp?)

Looks like us, the e9x guys, need to step up the game, lol.

I know there was a white E46 M3 in my run group, with a fully tricked out S54, full exhaust w/ header, head work and etc. and was pushing 370 whp. He was running the new Bridgestone RE71R (which according to him grips like a R-compound), PFC front BBK, and bucket seats. The guy was damn good driver too. That car was faster than me both in the corner and the straights and he pulled a 2:33. Impressive feat on a street car with street legal tires.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Looks like us, the e9x guys, need to step up the game, lol.

I know there was a white E46 M3 in my run group, with a fully tricked out S54, full exhaust w/ header, head work and etc. and was pushing 370 whp. He was running the new Bridgestone RE71R (which according to him grips like a R-compound), PFC front BBK, and bucket seats. The guy was damn good driver too. That car was faster than me both in the corner and the straights and he pulled a 2:33. Impressive feat on a street car with street legal tires.

Yes, those E46's are sick. One guy on this thread posted a 2:36 RA video last fall.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Jon@NL

I did 1:46 on Direzza Zii street tires last season with stock oil and coolant coolers, and without the control arm bushings I haven now.

So you didn't have R-comps, just extreme performance summer tires capable of pulling over 1.0g on the skidpad + all wheel drive. Not hating, just stating.

[DB]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Looks like us, the e9x guys, need to step up the game, lol.

I know there was a white E46 M3 in my run group, with a fully tricked out S54, full exhaust w/ header, head work and etc. and was pushing 370 whp. He was running the new Bridgestone RE71R (which according to him grips like a R-compound), PFC front BBK, and bucket seats. The guy was damn good driver too. That car was faster than me both in the corner and the straights and he pulled a 2:33. Impressive feat on a street car with street legal tires.

I was also at Road America with you last weekend with my white e90m3. First time at Road America. I really liked it. It was a 14 hour drive for me, but worth it.

Your car seemed crazy fast. I kept meaning to come and say hi but we were parked pretty far away (I was near many of the e46 m3s, including the white one, at the top of the paddock).

I have Ohlins R&T, Essex AP brakes, and NT01s. Managed a 2:36.32. Hoping to get back sometime.

[DB]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

With my mods, I'd cry if my E92 M3 hit only 150mph on the straights. With Intake, pulleys, test pipes and tune, we have ~400whp at 8,600rpms W/ 7 speed DCT! My speedo reads between 155-160mph at the end of the straights at RA. Now the speedo isn't 100%, but it reads above 150.

I have cobb on my FBO 335I 6AT, and with the 19lb boost race gas map, I was like around 410whp like you, but my E92 M3 can beat it from a roll, no problem.

Not disagreeing with you at all about what your car attained, but I just checked my best lap and only hit 145 on that one. I may have gone faster (speedwise) on other laps.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by DB

I was also at Road America with you last weekend with my white e90m3. First time at Road America. I really liked it. It was a 14 hour drive for me, but worth it.

Your car seemed crazy fast. I kept meaning to come and say hi but we were parked pretty far away (I was near many of the e46 m3s, including the white one, at the top of the paddock).

I have Ohlins R&T, Essex AP brakes, and NT01s. Managed a 2:36.32. Hoping to get back sometime.

That's pretty awesome time as well! Wondering if you had footage of me in the grass on the 2nd session of the first day where I spun out at T12A and almost hit the tire wall. Saw you and a few other E46 on stickier tires don't typically brake for the corner and thought I can get away with it as well. Guess not lol.

How do you like the AP BBK? What pads were you running and how did the rotors look after a weekend at RA? I am currently deciding between the same kit for non-M E9x, their newer radi-cal kit, and the Stoptech bbk, so sorry for all the questions.

I do like the larger rotors (362mm and 370mm) on the AP (Brembo 380mm 6p calipers need to be removed for pad change, so that's a no-go for me) in comparison to the 355mm on the non-M Stoptech kit. But Stoptech seems to have better support on this side of the pond. Decision, decision, decision...

Btw, uploaded some fun video of me chasing a GT3 last night.

[DB]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

No one does full 25min sessions at RA. It's just too hard on brakes. It's best to come out after 15mins like I do. BBK will help you, but you will go through pads like crazy at RA.

We had 3 20 minute sessions and 3 25 minute sessions on Saturday. On Sunday, we had 3 20 minute sessions, 2 25 minute sessions, and 1 60 minute session.

As mentioned above, I have the Essex AP kit. I did every minute of every session except for the last one. I did about 35 minutes of that one and then came off (but not due to brakes). I went through about 1/2-2/3 of a set of front brake pads. I was braking late and hard from high speeds and only took cool down laps if you count traffic slow downs.

I couldn't recommend the set up enough.

[DB]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

That's pretty awesome time as well! Wondering if you had footage of me in the grass on the 2nd session of the first day where I spun out at T12A and almost hit the tire wall. Saw you and a few other E46 on stickier tires don't typically brake for the corner and thought I can get away with it as well. Guess not lol.

How do you like the AP BBK? What pads were you running and how did the rotors look after a weekend at RA? I am currently deciding between the same kit for non-M E9x, their newer radi-cal kit, and the Stoptech bbk, so sorry for all the questions.

I do like the larger rotors (362mm and 370mm) on the AP (Brembo 380mm 6p calipers need to be removed for pad change, so that's a no-go for me) in comparison to the 355mm on the non-M Stoptech kit. But Stoptech seems to have better support on this side of the pond. Decision, decision, decision...

Btw, uploaded some fun video of me chasing a GT3 last night.

I may have that video. I definitely saw it! I'll check and let you know.

I use Ferodo DS1.11 pads. Note that I use the Essex AP kit which is different from the standard AP kit. The kit I have actually has 355mm front rotors, which may even be slightly smaller than the standard m3 rotors. But their cooling abilities are fantastic...and they shave some weight from the brake system (I believe about 10 lbs per corner).

[Sleeper519]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

With my mods, I'd cry if my E92 M3 hit only 150mph on the straights. With Intake, pulleys, test pipes and tune, we have ~400whp at 8,600rpms W/ 7 speed DCT! My speedo reads between 155-160mph at the end of the straights at RA. Now the speedo isn't 100%, but it reads above 150.

yeah, its funny how our speedos always lie like a bitch. Mine stock has a measureable 5% error--and with smaller 18" track wheels it adds another 2%, so 7% total.

So my speedo regularly reads btw/ 155-160 on the back stretch at Road Atlanta and VIR but GPS (which cannot tell a lie) tells me 145.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

I have cobb on my FBO 335I 6AT, and with the 19lb boost race gas map, I was like around 410whp like you, but my E92 M3 can beat it from a roll, no problem.

Just FYI, I watched some of your older videos of you in the 335i. Seems like you just left the AT shift at the redline (6750 rpm) by itself, which actually causes you to leave a lot of power on the table. With stock turbo N54, your power drops off significantly after 6000rpms, so you actually want to shift around 6100-6200rpms to stay in the optimal power band for each gear.

And Cobb OTS maps suck balls for top end power, they are more tuned for mid range tq than anything else... And with your shift pattern, no wonder the M3 is faster on the straight.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Just FYI, I watched some of your older videos of you in the 335i. Seems like you just left the AT shift at the redline (6750 rpm) by itself, which actually causes you to leave a lot of power on the table. With stock turbo N54, your power drops off significantly after 6000rpms, so you actually want to shift around 6100-6200rpms to stay in the optimal power band for each gear.

And Cobb OTS maps suck balls for top end power, they are more tuned for mid range tq than anything else... And with your shift pattern, no wonder the M3 is faster on the straight.

Sounds like you want to race huh? Well you're local, so we could meet up, and do a few highway runs. My '07 335I has 130K miles on it, and I gave it to my mom last year, when I bought my M3. From my years of experience with the car, there is no difference between letting the AT shift (DS), and manual mode. Most you can get with any automatic trans between the two modes is 0.1 sec in the 1/4 mile. You can go to a drag strip, and test it out yourself. My advise for you is to actually ditch the 335I. A terrible car for tracking, that's for sure. It's a limp mode queen, and so many of us that tracked the N54, eventually switched to something else. Oh, and I'm not a fan of E85. Not one bit. There are corrosion issues to deal with down the road for sure. I just Maned up, and payed for real fuel (100). My 335I still has Oem trans, turbo, and engine going strong on the streets.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Just FYI, I watched some of your older videos of you in the 335i. Seems like you just left the AT shift at the redline (6750 rpm) by itself, which actually causes you to leave a lot of power on the table.

Ignoring my lap time, you can clearly see the difference in straight line speed in the straights between me and you. Yes, you have much better brake pads, and have better cornering speeds and stopping power, but, just looking at the speed going up the front straight, the M3 is much faster, and if you view it in 1080P you can see the speedo 1/2 between 150, and 160 before I brake, at about the same point as you.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Ignoring my lap time, you can clearly see the difference in straight line speed in the straights between me and you. Yes, you have much better brake pads, and have better cornering speeds and stopping power, but, just looking at the speed going up the front straight, the M3 is much faster, and if you view it in 1080P you can see the speedo 1/2 between 150, and 160 before I brake, at about the same point as you.

Don't want to argue (and honestly don't see the point of arguing here either). But there are a lot of variables with your driving and we have vastly different mods on our 335i (I am running full E85 with secondary injection which makes noticeably more than power than Cobb OTS).

Also, as someone already mentioned. Speedometers on our cars are notoriously inaccurate; you have to account for different tire meters as well, which plays a significant effect at the speed that is involved here. Just FYI, DB and I are using GPS speed...

Anyway, no one wants to street race you here. And I honestly don't know why you say 335i is awful, while I have been tracking it for two years with no mechanical issue other than the factory HPFP I replaced earlier this year. Lighten up a bit maybe??? Just trying to give you some advice on the 335i honestly... Just because you can't drive it fast, doesn't mean it is a terrible car... There was a 135is on street tires on the track as well over the weekend in the advance group, stock engine, which obviously slows things down a bit on a big track like RA. Nonetheless, he was able to do 2:43-44.

I am trying to be polite, but don't you think there is a pattern here with you keep on trying to argue against facts in this thread? lol, at the "real fuel"... I hope it was unleaded at least... do you even know E85 makes more power than any high octane gasoline...

[Jon@NL]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

My advise for you is to actually ditch the 335I. A terrible car for tracking, that's for sure. It's a limp mode queen, and so many of us that tracked the N54, eventually switched to something else. Oh, and I'm not a fan of E85. Not one bit. There are corrosion issues to deal with down the road for sure. I just Maned up, and payed for real fuel (100). My 335I still has Oem trans, turbo, and engine going strong on the streets.

From your videos you are not driving fast enough to push the 335i into limp mode. There is no way you will be in limp mode with a 1:5x time at mid ohio. My first track day ever (as in my first time on track in any car, period) in a completely stock X1 on oem runflat tires I ran a 1:56, which is about what you are running with your modded M3 with 9 years of claimed track experience. It wasn't until I was deep into the 1:4x range that I started experiencing reduced power output due to coolant temps, which was solved easily with a $400 CSF radiator. Fuel capacity is my car's current limit in terms of sustained track time.

Is the 335i as good of a track platform as the M3? Of course not - the M3 is a special car with far superior bushings and suspension than the 335i has stock. But a terrible one? Please. It's fantastic.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Don't want to argue (and honestly don't see the point of arguing here either).

What do you mean by: "I don't know how to drive a 335I fast?" You put RS3's (Extreme performance tires) on, PFC 08's (race pads), and TC Kline's on a car, and now you think you're superman? Keep on putting an alcohol based fuel in regular fuel vehicle. Good luck with that. Get to know your codes too. You've temporarily solved 29dc, but 30FE, and 30FF are also your friend with that street car.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by Jon@NL

From your videos you are not driving fast enough to push the 335i into limp mode. There is no way you will be in limp mode with a 1:5x time at mid ohio. My first track day ever (as in my first time on track in any car, period) in a completely stock X1 on oem runflat tires I ran a 1:56, which is about what you are running with your modded M3 with 9 years of claimed track experience. It wasn't until I was deep into the 1:4x range that I started experiencing reduced power output due to coolant temps, which was solved easily with a $400 CSF radiator. Fuel capacity is my car's current limit in terms of sustained track time.

Is the 335i as good of a track platform as the M3? Of course not - the M3 is a special car with far superior bushings and suspension than the 335i has stock. But a terrible one? Please. It's fantastic.

Dude, when I met you earlier this year at NCM, weren't you in Novice? Didn't you lie about your laptime, until I posted two videos of you in Novice? So you're a badass at your home track, but you're scared of NCM?

Start the fun reading from here:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...postcount=1286

[noLimits Enterprises]

Is anyone going to do VIR with Chin in October?

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

What do you mean by: "I don't know how to drive a 335I fast?" You put RS3's (Extreme performance tires) on, PFC 08's (race pads), and TC Kline's on a car, and now you think you're superman? Keep on putting an alcohol based fuel in regular fuel vehicle. Good luck with that. Get to know your codes too. You've temporarily solved 29dc, but 30FE, and 30FF are also your friend with that street car.

All I can say is that good drivers complain about their own driving, bad drivers like to blame it on their cars. Of course I still have a lot of improve given I have only been tracking for 2 years, not the 9 years of experience that you claimed... Aren't you running AD08 as well on your cars too?

Your lap times leave a lot to be improved honestly, but I just don't get why you try to bring everyone else down as well (the whole debacle you caused with M3 can't do sub 2:40 was utterly ridiculous... hell, I even know a last gen stock C63 AMG that can do 2:39 on PSS tires at RA...)

And you are horribly out of touch and uninformed with basic engine tuning... But I won't waste my time educating you on this matter if you are so convinced that you are right about your understanding of N54.

Maybe you should try to follow the lines of the faster guys next time and see what the car (whether it is your 335i or your M3) can really do... And you really need to take a hike from this thread...

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Dude, when I met you earlier this year at NCM, weren't you in Novice? Didn't you lie about your laptime, until I posted video of you in Novice? So you're a badass at your home track, but you're scared of NCM?

Maybe some people don't need 9 years of experience to learn the car and be fast with it? Seriously, the more crap you throw at other people, the more of a fool you make yourself look...

[lutfy]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Dude, when I met you earlier this year at NCM, weren't you in Novice? Didn't you lie about your laptime, until I posted two videos of you in Novice? So you're a badass at your home track, but you're scared of NCM?

Start the fun reading from here:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...postcount=1286

Bro, a bunch of us also know each other in real life and maintain a level of decorm/professionalism even in the playful environment. Not in a bad way but watching your video running 1:55s at Mid Ohio (not knocking) and trying to give advise on driving and provoking other members to compete in a DE environment is NOT cool.

With all the mods you have done to your car powerwise, frankly thats not impressive. Was not going to judge until you started knocking other folks, their car, their setup etc. who actually spend time focus on learning and driving.

Goal is to learn from each others, what works, what does not etc. This kind of attitude is counter productive and you wont be making any friends here or in real life

Wishing you the best. Happy Wednesday.

Lutfy

[lutfy]

Originally Posted by noLimits Enterprises

Is anyone going to do VIR with Chin in October?

With NASA this weekend (VIR). Have a villa by the esses if anyone of you need safe storage. A bunch of us from DC are heading there.

Lutfy