RS5- it's comin' soon

[gmund1948]

Originally Posted by swamp2

OK apology due here. It was 5 a.m. and your post really contained some xenophobic elements. You have me seriosuly beat on racing experience/attendance as well as worldliness (have been to about 15 countries though and I never act like a typical American tourist!).

I often boast, btw, that my E36 M3 has no cupholders!

Chees to another local San Diegan!

No sweat,

Let me know if your ever this way, as to cup holders, my wife banned
anyone from using them in the E93 335 Vert

The point I was trying to make was that this flaming back and forth is
so foreign here, driving ability is respected much more than the car you are driving.

At the Nurburgring I witnessed an MX-5 (Miata) (granted it was race
spec and likely supercharged) clean everyones clock

Its not always what you Drive its how you drive it.

Go Chargers

[devo]

Originally Posted by jworms

i never said the e92 M3 is 'superior' than the R8. I did say the performance numbers are very similar. now who's disecting parts of another member's post in an attempt to remove its original context? btw, just for kicks because you said an M3 will never be a 911 Carrera S, i thought i'd throw this in the mix: a 911 Carrera S will never be an M3. before you reply to that statement, take a minute to really think about it. if you disagree with that, then well...you're on your own.

I took a minute....and the results are the same. Thank all that is good that a 911S will never be a M3

I guess I am on my own. LOL.

[devo]

Originally Posted by MI6

Here's some new pics of the new RS5- judging by the lack of Camo I'd say it's only about a year or so away........

Note: this is the RS5- not S5. Look at the Lower front air dam vents where the fogs are- they are RS style mesh, not the same as the horizontal mesh on the S5.......

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Did a little more research and learned that this is an early version of the pre-released S5; hence the mesh lower front dam vents; which Audi chose not to use on the S5.

[MI6]

Originally Posted by devo

Did a little more research and learned that this is an early version of the pre-released S5; hence the mesh lower front dam vents; which Audi chose not to use on the S5.

Source of your research?

[RI_RS4]

There is an RS5 being developed. That, however, was probably not a picture of it. As of yet, word is that the powerplant has not yet been chosen.

[The CSL]

It won't be on sale until the RS6 has gone out of production, so probably 2010.

[RI_RS4]

RS4 closes out 2008 MY. RS6 will be produced for 2009 MY. Most likely RS5 will show up for 2010 MY, so summer 2009 in the US, unless Audi begins to increase the size of the RS production line. That would be around the same time as the M3 CSL hits the US, assuming that it ever does.

[The CSL]

Originally Posted by BOB Nevada

but the new m3 is heavy, its gunna have to shed some kilos big time

The new M3 is something like 80kg heavier than the E46, but has close to 80 more BHP. If the current chassis is able to lap significantly quicker than the standard E46, then I don't see how similar differences in weight between CSL and E92 CSL could result in it being any slower. The chassis and tyres have shed more of the time than extra grunt alone, in both the case of the E92 and the E46 CSL.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by BOB Nevada

Why does the m#3 get bigger everytime a new model comes?

Why does every car get bigger? It's not a M3 specific problem...

Best regards, south

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by BOB Nevada

Why does the m#3 get bigger everytime a new model comes?

People expect more and more out of their Bimmer. 12 speaker HK wasn't enough, nor is dual climate, DVD or plush rear seats.

The New M3 is bigger, but it also has less outer mass, so it handles better. It's center of gravity is lower to the ground, aswell. So it handles better. It's weight is 80kg more than the outgoing M3.

It's quite amazing they can make a bigger vehichles outhandle a smaller lighter one, isn't it? Because they are learning it isn't all about how much it weighes, but where the weight is located on the car...!






-Garrett

[The CSL]

Originally Posted by Garrett

It's quite amazing they can make a vigger vehichles outhandle a smaller lighter one, isn't it? Because they are learning it isn't all about how much it weighes, but where the weight is located on the car...!

-Garrett

Indeed and with the next generation of cars using more aerospace materials in their consruction (or so we're told), then this advance in weight distribution, coupled with some true weight savings will make the new BMW's as far ahead of their competition as they used to be. I look forward to that a great deal. And, that is what sets BMW apart from their competition, it's all about the handling and the way their cars make the driver feel, the luxury is a bonus.

[The CSL]

Originally Posted by Cant Win !!!

close... but no bratwurst

BMW said recently that they don't need a 'supercar' in their line-up because that isn't what they're about.

[mullrat]

Originally Posted by Cant Win !!!

ok what bmw rivals the r8

The new Z9 maybe? I'm sure the concept CS will morph into a supercar of some kind.

[Garrett]

What did Audi do with their interior...? OMG is the new style UGLY. That is a shame, because Audi's always hade the nicest interiors.

I wish BMW would go back to the E46 interiors..






-Garrett

[Keto]

Originally Posted by Cant Win !!!

and thats ok. but people should stop comparing bmw cars to it then

Why do you care? If it's that great of a car, it doesn't need you to defend it.

[gmund1948]

Originally Posted by Cant Win !!!

and thats ok. but people should stop comparing bmw cars to it then

You really can't win,You might be able to shut up and learn ! Try learning how to drive a car at the limit with something other than an X-Box or PS3 to get a real life lesson in Physics. Drive a car in a handling course and learn how a car "feels" at the limit

Now BMW is Small, almost a family run company that has designed engines that
are considered among the best in the world. They own Mini an who else, Rolls ?

Audi is part of a huge conglomerate called VOLKSWAGEN and has at its disposal, the technology of VW, SEAT, Bugatti, Lambo, Skoda and even Porsche to pull parts and technology from. (DSG) (TURBOCHARGING) you can even buy a VW designed
engine in your Audi (1.8 Turbo)

Now you likely are not going to drive a car capable of the performance of an M3, R8 or Even an A2 in the near future, unless someone else buys it.

Learn how to drive using SCCA or a local Autocross club, buy a sports car and have some fun. and please stop trolling to get a reaction boards ! If you need an Argument
try your parents, or debate class.

I doubt you will understand this, But Audi's R8 is a wonderful car
and they are losing money on each one. But there are like 400 or so
going to the US.

Now when BMW releases a Massed produced M-3, that will be capable of
performance near that of Audis R-8 for more than 1/2 off.

If You want to learn about BMWs learn here, but learn please
you have been a royal PITA by coming up with half arssed arguments
on two cars you never seen, built by companies you have likely never
driven products from.

Learn to Drive a sports car, try a BMW and an AUDI and come back
and see us

In youth we learn; in age we understand.

Marie Ebner von Eschenbach

[Martl]

Originally Posted by gmund1948

You really can't win,You might be able to shut up and learn ! Try learning how to drive a car at the limit with something other than an X-Box or PS3 to get a real life lesson in Physics. Drive a car in a handling course and learn how a car "feels" at the limit

Now BMW is Small, almost a family run company that has designed engines that
are considered among the best in the world. They own Mini an who else, Rolls ?

Audi is part of a huge conglomerate called VOLKSWAGEN and has at its disposal, the technology of VW, SEAT, Bugatti, Lambo, Skoda and even Porsche to pull parts and technology from. (DSG) (TURBOCHARGING) you can even buy a VW designed
engine in your Audi (1.8 Turbo)






Now you likely are not going to drive a car capable of the performance of an M3, R8 or Even an A2 in the near future, unless someone else buys it.

Learn how to drive using SCCA or a local Autocross club, buy a sports car and have some fun. and please stop trolling to get a reaction boards ! If you need an Argument
try your parents, or debate class.

I doubt you will understand this, But Audi's R8 is a wonderful car
and they are losing money on each one. But there are like 400 or so
going to the US.

Now when BMW releases a Massed produced M-3, that will be capable of
performance near that of Audis R-8 for more than 1/2 off.

If You want to learn about BMWs learn here, but learn please
you have been a royal PITA by coming up with half arssed arguments
on two cars you never seen, built by companies you have likely never
driven products from.

Learn to Drive a sports car, try a BMW and an AUDI and come back
and see us

In youth we learn; in age we understand.

Marie Ebner von Eschenbach

Hard word's you are using

[The CSL]

Porsche is a family owned company and they are the majority stakeholder of VW, Audi, Bentley, Skoda, Seat and Bugatti, so what's your point about BMW being a 'small' company?

[gmund1948]

Originally Posted by The CSL

Porsche is a family owned company and they are the majority stakeholder of VW, Audi, Bentley, Skoda, Seat and Bugatti, so what's your point about BMW being a 'small' company?

Porsche is a publically traded company, and when combined with
VW (making bodies for them) Audi sharing AWD technology ala
C-4 Etc Etc. THe Porsche Family Holds alot of the voting stock
Former VW CEO F. Piech was Ferdinand Porsche's Nephew If I am not mistaken
worked as race director for Porsche in the late 60s and early 70s
Audi made the infamous Porsche 924 and 944 VW made the Porsche
914 and the old Body company Reutter (sp) that built early Porsches
was bought by Porsche and evolved into Recaro

Ferdinand Porsche (Dad) designed the Beetle, worked for MB and
built the Famous Auto Union race cars while working for them
He also designed alot more. Point is Dr Porsche was part of that
scene for a very long time, now the company who owns those
other companies bears his name

BMW on the other hand, never was part of that Axis, they struggled
alot more and have less history in cars
But look what they have done with it !

BMW is much smaller than the overall picture above with
its Mini and Rolls? subsidiaries it must rely on its own engineers
for its success not those of a sister(s) company or R&D

[The CSL]

The extended Porsche and Piech families hold all of the voting stock.

[gmund1948]

Originally Posted by The CSL

The extended Porsche and Piech families hold all of the voting stock.

I couldnt remember, but since the entire extended Piech/Porsche family Squabbled,got pissed off in 1970-71 and the company changed in 72-73 they lost some of the family roots running things. It hurt them in my humble opinion
with trying the 914, 924,928, 944 and 968 lines,

If Ferry, God rest his sole and Butzi, and F Piech had remained I think Porsche would have been even more successful, but hey this is a
Bimmer Board and I am glad I bought stock in 94

[Epacy]

Cool, are we about to get into a title throwing/money pissing contest??