Vorshlag Camber Plates for M3

[1MOREMOD]

no wasnt teasing you. thought you had ordered a set as well. i havent done a spring install and am having them done for me. possible i could get them in monday before my track day friday.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by chriszeh

no wasnt teasing you. thought you had ordered a set as well. i havent done a spring install and am having them done for me. possible i could get them in monday before my track day friday.

I was messing with you. If you are on street tires, I would recommend looking at -2.5 degrees of camber. I run -3.0 and I think its a tad too much. The outside edges look untouched. I'm going to try -2.75 on my next alignment.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by ortho281

Harold, thanks for the info on using plates with EDC setup. The earliest I could get in to have them installed is next Thursday. Driver's Source will be doing the install. I will post pics and impressions of my EDC setup. My next track day is on the 20th. I will post impressions and vid after that as well.

I'm sure you'll find the car has more front end grip and turns in much crisper. I'd say be careful because now you have more grip up front so the balance of the car in the turns will change and move closer to neutral. So be mindful that you'll need to keep the rear end in control.

I spun on the first session with camber plates in my E46. I was so used to terminal understeer.

I'm also interested to hear street driving impressions.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I was messing with you. If you are on street tires, I would recommend looking at -2.5 degrees of camber. I run -3.0 and I think its a tad too much. The outside edges look untouched. I'm going to try -2.75 on my next alignment.

thanks for the help. i was actually thinking of that number myself. looking for 2.5 front and 2 rear if i can get it. what should be the rest of my settings? toe and caster? slight toe in i believe is desirable correct?

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I'd say be careful because now you have more grip up front so the balance of the car in the turns will change and move closer to neutral. So be mindful that you'll need to keep the rear end in control.

good to know. something i hadnt thought about with the new set up. trying to get them in monday now.

[HP Autosport]

HPA has the largest inventory outside of Vorshlag, perhaps even more than Vorshlag. This is just want came in one day!

We also have camber plates for your M3 with KW V3, JRZ, Moton, AST, Koni...etc. All in stock!

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by chriszeh

thanks for the help. i was actually thinking of that number myself. looking for 2.5 front and 2 rear if i can get it. what should be the rest of my settings? toe and caster? slight toe in i believe is desirable correct?

You'll wanna kick yourself if you don't get these in before your next track day so do it!

In the rear, I run a little toe in on my E46. I have my E90 set to OEM specs in the rear.

In the front, I usually run a touch of toe out. Yes, it heats up the tires more and will make the front end feel darty on the street over bumps and uneven surfaces. But, the car turns in much more immediately. I like it on the two tracks that have a couple of tight, slow turns. You need to be smooth. I run zero toe on really fast tracks. Now, I just run zero toe because alignments were getting expensive.

I ran -3 camber in the front on square OEM 18" rears with Dunlop Z1* at around 38-39psi hot. The arrows on the sidewall are unscathed and the shoulder of the tire is still squared off and untouched.

Caster...I think Vorshlag recommends max caster which gives you some more static negative camber. IIRC, Vorshlag ships their plates in the max caster setting so it is what it is.

[1MOREMOD]

when you say you run oem specs on your e90 rear. are you just refering to toe or camber as well?

[bigjae1976]

Correct.

[1MOREMOD]

haha. which? there were 3 choices. toe OEM or camber OEM or both? just got an update my shipment is gonna be here too late for me to do install. will have to be happy with trying out the new schroth quikfitpro this time around.

[bigjae1976]

The rear toe and camber are at OEM specs.

[ortho281]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I'm sure you'll find the car has more front end grip and turns in much crisper. I'd say be careful because now you have more grip up front so the balance of the car in the turns will change and move closer to neutral. So be mindful that you'll need to keep the rear end in control.

I spun on the first session with camber plates in my E46. I was so used to terminal understeer.

I'm also interested to hear street driving impressions.

James, thanks for the info. I was planning on increasing rear camber to around -2.0 (currently -1.7) and front to -2.2 with plates (currently -1.6) and factory toe 0.10 degrees front and rear. I hope this will not push the balance too far towards oversteer, but I'm also installing the CF performance trunk spoiler to add some rear downforce. I will post impressions after installation and next track day.

[bigjae1976]

If you increase grip up front it will make change the balance towards oversteer. You won't be drifting every corner but just have that in the back of your mind. You've changed your car so you can't drive exactly how your were driving before. It will feel a lot better. When you come into a corner faster than you're used to, the car might not plow but actually turn. If you aren't being smooth then the backend will come around on you. Just stay on the throttle smoothly to keep the rear under control.

[ortho281]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

If you increase grip up front it will make change the balance towards oversteer. You won't be drifting every corner but just have that in the back of your mind. You've changed your car so you can't drive exactly how your were driving before. It will feel a lot better. When you come into a corner faster than you're used to, the car might not plow but actually turn. If you aren't being smooth then the backend will come around on you. Just stay on the throttle smoothly to keep the rear under control.

Good to know! Current setup understeers a bit, so I'm hoping plates and new alignment will get me closer towards neutral. Because of EDC, I'm thinking it might be best to go with an intermediate setup for both street/track instead of switching back and forth. This of course depends on tire wear on my street tires with this much camber.

[bigjae1976]

I think -2.5 is a good camber spec up front, regardless of your EDC setting. I'd ask your shop though and have them explain their reasoning behind whatever they recommend.

[ortho281]

Thanks, I will post final setup after installing on Thursday. If I can get to at least -2.0 camber in the rear without having to compromise on the toe, then -2.5 in front should be ok.

[modernbeat]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

...Caster...I think Vorshlag recommends max caster which gives you some more static negative camber. IIRC, Vorshlag ships their plates in the max caster setting so it is what it is.

Actually, we ship the plates in the recommended caster position for each model. For the E90 we ship it in the minimum caster position. The E90 and E80 chassis have the multilink lower arm that gives the car enough caster that more is not needed. Adding caster also prevents getting maximum camber - so it's a tradeoff on whether you want a lot of camber and no additional caster, or some additional camber and some additional caster.

For the older chassis (E36 and E46) and some other cars (GD Subaru, Mitsubishi EVO 5-9) they need all the caster they can get.

[bigjae1976]

Good to know!

[BIU]

Bilstein PSS10 fitment?

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by BIU

Bilstein PSS10 fitment?

Yes, of course!

http://www.hpashop.com/Vorshlag-E82-...-Camber-Pl.htm

[1MOREMOD]

in my posession. surprised how much these bad boys weight. thought i received 2 sets at first or something. they said they are built like a tank and i believe it. install next week at some point.

[ortho281]

As promised I was able to have Vorshlag's new camber plates for OEM springs installed on my E92 M3 w/EDC. The installation was done by Driver's Source in Houston and they did a great job. I was not able to have alignment done, but will do so this weekend or early next week. The ride quality with plates installed is the same as stock, but with a tighter steering feel due to precision of the Vorshlag plates. I did not notice any noise when going over bumps and I am really impressed with the ride so far. I did notice a slight ride height increase of approx 6-8 mm with the plates installed. Since the plate is installed entirely below strut tower, the EDC plug and cap fitment is not affected. I will also post track impressions next weekend following the TWS DE. I wil be running R-S3's 275 square with -2.5F/-2.0R and 10mm spacer on rear.