[gr8one88]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by gr8one88

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

Isn't that yours?

[bobbyd1961]

Originally Posted by gr8one88

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

prefer my 2009 lemans blue M3 sedan

[mpm3]

smg is a nightmare

[greekcs]

Originally Posted by mpm3

smg is a nightmare

explain.

[gr8one88]

Originally Posted by greekcs

explain.

They just had a bad experience with smg pry if they dont know how to drive it then ya it was bad I'm sure or if they were in the car with someone who didn't know how to use smg than again I'm sure but why would they use it for so long on their best cars and the csl? Only problem with smg is more things can go wrong and it's not as intimate of a driving connection but other than that smg has won me over and I'm a purest I like Manual only that's saying something

[gthal]

Originally Posted by gr8one88

They just had a bad experience with smg pry if they dont know how to drive it then ya it was bad I'm sure or if they were in the car with someone who didn't know how to use smg than again I'm sure but why would they use it for so long on their best cars and the csl? Only problem with smg is more things can go wrong and it's not as intimate of a driving connection but other than that smg has won me over and I'm a purest I like Manual only that's saying something

SMG is not only problematic for people who don't know how to drive it. It is a different experience than the M-DCT. Not as fast, much more jerky (yes, even if you know how to drive it). It isn't a bad tranny by any stretch but it did have its issues and the DCT was a very needed step up.

[greekcs]

Although I will agree that the DCT transmission is a completely different animal, I can only imagine the replacement cost of one of these bad boys. The E46 SMG uses the same transmission as a standard 6MT, aside from the bell housing. My car is nearing the 9 year mark and I haven't had to replace a single transmission related item. Sure the pump might fail eventually, but if it does every 10 years is that BMW's fault for not building a pump that will outlast the car?

[gthal]

Originally Posted by greekcs

Although I will agree that the DCT transmission is a completely different animal, I can only imagine the replacement cost of one of these bad boys. The E46 SMG uses the same transmission as a standard 6MT, aside from the bell housing. My car is nearing the 9 year mark and I haven't had to replace a single transmission related item. Sure the pump will fail eventually, but if it does every 10 years is that BMW's fault for not building a pump that will outlast the car?

I agree it could be an expensive fix someday but that shouldn't matter. That would be like saying you would never buy a better technology because it is more complex and therefore more expensive to fix. We would all be in horse and wagons still Also, there have been VERY few DCT failures in the last 4 years so it is holding up well. Having said that, I do agree... it will suck if your DCT went down outside of warranty!!

[mpm3]

what i ment is i work for bmw and smg pumps go all the time and it isn't cheap and a nightmare to work on nuff said...and i know how to drive LOL

[kelhua]

smgg...