M3 beats GT-R and Porsche turbo in C&D comparison test

FlyingDutchman · 05-27-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BCMPOWER

I can't wait to read next month's letter to the editors, lol!

I was just thinking the same thing.

skierman64 · 05-27-2008, 08:30 PM

It's obvious the C&D editors didn't pick the car with the best objective numbers, they picked the car that was the best all around car and that was the most fun to drive and had the best driver/car interface.

I'd say most drivers can't duplicate the numbers posted in magazines anyhow. So which car gives you the most confidence to go fast. I don't know about the others, but I can go fast very easily in the M3.

rai · 05-27-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BCMPOWER

I can't wait to read next month's letter to the editors, lol!

tree huggers are gonna have a fit.

malter2.0 · 05-27-2008, 08:35 PM

I approve of this comparison test.

muisui · 05-27-2008, 08:50 PM

just wondering, how many of us ever owned/test drove/sat in a GTR?

swamp2 · 05-27-2008, 08:55 PM

Some more realistic GT-R performance numbers compared to some we have seen in the past. This car is definitely in the range of the Nissan quoted power and weight figures. So much for some of the "magic" numbers we have seen much of in the past and that that GT-R fanboys love to quote.

Sedan_Clan · 05-27-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ///kory

C&D has always been BMW bias, but if the M3 was not a great car, they would have had no choice but to pick the gtr or 911. If you read the article they do give good evidence on why they like the M3 more, and it is hard to fault their reasons. Even still I woudln't normally say these 3 vehicles are even in the same league, we are talking 90k for the gtr right now, and 911 turbo well over 100. The Top Gear test should be more in line with the m3's direct competition, and the m3 was chosen there aswell.

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Originally Posted by skierman64

It's obvious the C&D editors didn't pick the car with the best objective numbers, they picked the car that was the best all around car and that was the most fun to drive and had the best driver/car interface.

I'd say most drivers can't duplicate the numbers posted in magazines anyhow. So which car gives you the most confidence to go fast. I don't know about the others, but I can go fast very easily in the M3.

Well said. To add to that, what auto mag isn't a BMW fan? Hell, Motor Trend, etc. are all pro-BMW.......and for good reason. Raw performance data isn't everything.

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Originally Posted by swamp2

Some more realistic GT-R performance numbers compared to some we have seen in the past. This car is definitely in the range of the Nissan quoted power and weight figures. So much for some of the "magic" numbers we have seen much of in the past and that that GT-R fanboys love to quote.

+4

SHADY1 · 05-27-2008, 09:16 PM

[QUOTE=Sedan_Clan;2735635]Well said. To add to that, what auto mag isn't a BMW fan? Hell, Motor Trend, etc. are all pro-BMW.......and for good reason. Raw performance data isn't everything.

Hey there is one Road & Track, I mean Road & Trash

They love the Merc.

rmmcdaniel · 05-27-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JEllis

Gents, keep in mind there is more to any car than raw performance numbers..... Aston Martins would be shite if that were not the truth....

That is a great point, couldn't be more right on. I have looked into 1 - 2 year old Vantages as an alternative to getting the M3. There is just something about that car despite the M3 being better in every statistical, performance, or practical measure. Someday I will own one (or another Aston) as my second car!!

umwolverine · 05-27-2008, 09:30 PM

This article says it so well. The M is more than performance. it's a perfect blend of all that is to be desired.

JEllis · 05-27-2008, 09:31 PM

I am 100% willing to admit that C&D may be biased but basing a cars prowess simply on performance numbers is also not the best way to do business. As I said before, Aston Martins and Jags would be screwed if performance is the only measuring stick.

Jason

JMD0977 · 05-27-2008, 09:33 PM

Has anyone thought whats going to happen in a year or so when a turbo or supercharger comes out for the E9x M3?....its a V8

.550 hp?

dawgdog · 05-27-2008, 09:33 PM

Reminds me of the comparision of the GTR, Porche Turbo, R8 and M3 is CAR. Objective data had M3 last, but final rankings came in second. Why? The most fun to drive. And isn't that why we are buying this car?

stressdoc · 05-27-2008, 09:42 PM

I'm cracking up going back and forth between E90Post and M3post on this one. The E90posters are mostly bitching and complaining about what an absurd test it was.

440hpe46 · 05-27-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TwiBlueG35

No matter what car go against E9X, the 3 will always win in Car and Driver. In those CAD journalists' mind, the 3 would simply beat any car on earth. M3 beating GT-R? Whatever. They must think the only car beating 3 is another 3. I would like to see which they would choose, 328i or 335i or M3?

Obviously you do not know the M3's heritage...and the E9X is a combination of the best V8 this side of a Ferrari, 997S performance, and overall practicality...

Anyone that says this test is BS, has absolutely no clue about the M, because this is where the M reigns supreme, and what it is built for...

sayemthree · 05-27-2008, 11:39 PM

AND it won by a whopping 14 ponts. but I AGREE with CandD . I could afford the other two also but I am buy in M3. but thank goodness this wont happen:
"Every other manufacturer should give up on building their own cars and just make M3s instead!"

LOL!!!!

Dascamel · 05-27-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

I'm cracking up going back and forth between E90Post and M3post on this one. The E90posters are mostly bitching and complaining about what an absurd test it was.

+1
Funny....

MrClean · 05-28-2008, 12:02 AM

Probably based on fuel economy. Oh, wait... Apparently not

swamp2 · 05-28-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

The E90posters are mostly bitching and complaining about what an absurd test it was.

It sucks for all the 335i guys (some of whom think they drive the best car on the planet) to be reminded of the prowess of the M3 and to play such a distant second. I wonder how a modded 335i would have done in the same comparo

. That being said the overall rankings results are nearly unbelievable.

gorun · 05-28-2008, 12:36 AM

The article is bang on. I just wish they waited for the DCT. Maybe the numbers would have improved a bit. It is also interesting that they score the M3 manual higher than the GTR double clutch box.

Keto · 05-28-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

I'm cracking up going back and forth between E90Post and M3post on this one. The E90posters are mostly bitching and complaining about what an absurd test it was.

Not much of a mystery there.

Wads · 05-28-2008, 04:34 AM

Anyone know which track they tested on? I scanned the article but didn't notice anything saying where they tested....

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