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01-31-2012, 03:57 PM | #23 |
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For what it's worth, I taught my wife to drive a stick shift after we got married, and of the manual cars we went through before she got really comfortable, she says the Jetta Diesel we owned was the best in her learning process. Because it was a diesel, you didn't need to give it much gas to get it going. An additional benefit is that you had to shift it a lot to keep it in the powerband, so I'm sure she had a lot of practice shifting.
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The M3 is the car I learned to drive stick shift on. Because I'm a man.
Lol its really no big deal...the car is plenty solid. As long as you're not driving like an idiot you're not going to overly hurt anything.
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Any Nissan 350/370Z or Infiniti G35/G37 6MT is an excellent platform to learn on. The gates are solid and unquestionable. My experience with BMW's are that the gates are a little "sloshy" and sometimes you're not entirely sure if you made it in their all the way.
Maybe the synchro's are just really good(?)... but on the Nissan/Infiniti's the gates have a solid click'n'snap feel to them... this is of course, IMHO |
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I ordered my 335i in a MT without knowing really how to drive it. I probably stalled it 8 times on the way home from picking it up from the dealership. As long as you are not a dumb ass than you should be fine. Within a few days I driving it with no problems. Now I am on my second BMW MT and I am still working on perfecting advanced MT driving techniques. I even taught my ex gf to drive manual on my 335. The good thing about learning on my bimmer was that everything was under warranty.
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You can learn on any car. I learned on a 95 Ford Ranger (which we still have). Once you learn to drive a manual...you can drive any manual within a few minutes.
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There's a reason that Top Gear had a segment in which they taught "grannies" to do donuts in an S2000. It's somewhat difficult NOT to do donuts in an S2000. It can be unfortunate if there happens to be another vehicle or a tree in the way. If you go convertible, I would at least be able to say that the S2000 almost certainly has the strongest window frame. If you ever roll a Miata, Solstice, etc. you may be crushed under the car. With the S2000 the frame almost always supports the vehicle's weight. Just be aware that an S2000 requires quite a bit of experience and should never be driven in a spirited manner in inclement weather. http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/6458...cident-thread/ |
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I learned on my M3. Did a lot of reading beforehand for tips, best practices, habits to avoid, how a manual transmission actually works and therefore why things need to be done the way they are, etc. I probably learned about as much about driving stick beforehand as you can without actually driving because I didn't want to screw it up. I even created a thread on this forum that generated a lot of really helpful responses: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=501071. I'm told that the M3 is actually a pretty easy car to learn on compared to other MT cars; I haven't spent enough time in other MT cars to confirm that, but I certainly didn't have a problem after doing my homework beforehand.
I recommend initially going out and learning late at night when there aren't any cars out. If you can, try to find a long, level, rectangular-style route so that you can just keep going up and down long stretches of road to get a feel for shifting. Just keep going around and around that circuit night after night until you get a good feel for shifting. Once you've gotten comfortable driving late at night, move into driving during the day, but take it easy and give yourself plenty of distance between you and the car in front of you until you start to get an intuitive sense of when to shift, clutch in while braking, etc, otherwise you might end up stalling at a bad moment or even rear-ending someone -- stalling is especially likely if you realize you suddenly need to brake hard (e.g. you're about to drive past your destination/intersection) and don't remember to clutch in at the same time. After that, head onto the freeway when there's little to no traffic. That's a really great place to practice upshifting and rev-matched downshifting because you can safely use third through sixth at highway speeds. Just travel at a constant speed and work your way up and down those four gears. Note that if you're in the break-in period you should omit third from this exercise. After that, go out at night again and find a really steep hill somewhere to practice starting on a hill. The best scenario of all is to find a street that has curb parking with nobody actually parked there. Pull up right alongside the curb to get out of the way of actual traffic, and then you can start and stop (and probably stall) to your heart's content without bothering anybody. If you stall, just remember you can always pull the e-brake to stop rolling backwards if you can't brake hard enough to stop while the engine is off and power brakes aren't available. You can use the e-brake hill start method during actual driving until you've mastered doing it without, but I actually found it easier to just go straight to doing it properly without relying on that method. Then you might actually want to practice going backwards up that hill without rolling too far forward initially since you'll need to be able to handle your car well in both directions if you ever need to park between cars on a hill and avoid hitting them.
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doesn't matter, I would also say Honda Civic, though on a sports car, the clutch engagement will be less forgiving, as the friction area will be smaller than a standard passenger car.
Since every car's engagment point is different, it doesn't really matter as it's impossible to duplicate the feel of the M3 MT. I do suggest that you drive the MT car EVERYDAY for an extended peroid. It's not a matter of learning how to get it from stop to go, etc, but it's about driving it in all scenarios (around town, hwy, with distractions). to be honest, it took me 1.5-2 years to be 100% comfortable driving a MT. (my M3 is not my first daily MT). |
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to note, the M3 is one of the most forgiving MT high performance cars I've ever driven. If you want to drive a "difficult" MT car, try an Evo 8. Holy crap that "sweet spot" is difficult to master smoothly.
this is why I don't suggest going to a "high performance" car for your practice. Learn to live with the MT on a daily basis, and it'll be easier with a standard passenger car. The first month of daily driving is critical learning peroid. It'll be fustrating and embrassing. |
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