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Hey but for me personally it's not about making the most hp - otherwise I would have bought a different car, not to mention something lighter. |
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Boost leak or vacuum leak is not something ur car suffering from,thats for the stage 2+,as mentioned before,im trying to figure out how come ur car a stage 1 puts down close to a stage 2+ ???
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05-24-2011, 10:15 AM | #26 | |
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Another member who is local to me who doesnt post much, just recently had his AA S/C installed and will be taking it to the dyno soon. Hopefully he will share the numbers as its the same place I had my car dyno'd. Its Stage 2 without Meth. |
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05-24-2011, 10:20 AM | #27 |
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Does this really have to keep going on? Should we go back to the 116mph trap ESS car? Only trapped 3-4 mph higher then his N/A times..
The other funny part about this amazing dyno comparison is that the AA car goes to 8000rpm and the other goes to 8400rpm, how is that a fair comparison? You guys do realize a supercharger makes linear power right? Where is the boost logs for this run, where did you get the boost numbers from, kit information or actual dyno run boost logs? |
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05-24-2011, 10:25 AM | #28 |
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Here's both dyno results. Identical modifications except the
supercharger and meth. Same dyno testing procedure on both cars. Looks like they also did a heat soak test on the ESS car, but not the Active car. The first one is the Active car. According to the notes, Active dictated the dyno testing procedures and had their dealer present at the dyno. There's also video to document the procedures. Pretty hard to call BS on that. Car and Modifications:
Graphs: Boost Log Analysis: 7.70 PSI Average, 9.43 PSI Peak Video Dyno Testing Procedures: These procedures were specified by Active Autowerke. Since we were on 91 octane, methanol injection must be used. We originally intended to conduct tests with and without methanol injection, but were advised not to do so without 93 octane gasoline. We were instructed to run the dyno and let the car cool down one minute between runs. At the end of three runs, we were instructed to turn off the motor, let the engine cool for ten minutes, then repeat the same testing procedure for three more runs. In addition to capturing horsepower, torque, and engine RPM, we originally intended to collect spark advance, and knock sensor data from the OBD port via the Bavarian Technic scan tool (with thanks to Bren @ Bren Tuning for providing the necessary configuration file). However, once we hooked up the BT tool to the OBD port, we discovered we could not read any data from the OBD port using the BT tool. We did not try to diagnose the problem since we were "on the clock" at the dyno shop. We later found out this was caused by the Akrapovic Delete-R installed in the system. We were therefore unable to capture any spark or knock sensor data. If time permits, we plan to return to the dyno with the same configuration, remove the Delete-R and re-test. All of the dyno runs are filmed in HiDef video to document the authenticity and independence of the tests. A Kestral 4500 portable weather station is brought to take independent weather measurements. This provides a cross-check for the dyno weather station to ensure that the dyno weather station is reading accurately and has not been tampered or altered in any way. ----- Here's the ESS car on the same dyno, 24-hours later. Car and Modifications:
All Dyno Runs -- SAE Corrected: Boost Log Analysis -- 5.6 PSI Average, 6.14 PSI Peak: Dyno Testing Procedures: After warming up the vehicle, we ran the dyno and let the car cool down one minute between runs. At the end of three runs, we turned off the motor, let the engine cool for ten minutes, then repeat the same testing procedure for three more runs. The next three runs were done 20 seconds apart. Therefore the last four runs were all done 20 seconds apart, and constituted our "heat soak" test. All of the dyno runs are filmed in HiDef video to document the authenticity and independence of the tests. A Kestral 4500 portable weather station is brought to take independent weather measurements. This provides a cross-check for the dyno weather station to ensure that the dyno weather station is reading accurately and has not been tampered or altered in any way. |
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05-24-2011, 10:31 AM | #29 |
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Oh snap I'm sorry I didnt know that it hit its figures , so where in the world does 625chp come from ?? I'm not being sarcastic btw , they should lower their claimed chp to match actuall whp .... No ?
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05-24-2011, 10:36 AM | #33 |
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If i'm not mistaken the red vehicle's air fuel ran in the 10's... Which would obviously provide results above. I was also updated that there was an issue with the 02 sensors...
Stating that the vehicle was dyno'd as per our specifications means nothing on a vehicle that was not operating properly... It should be making a second trip to the dyno once the issues and 02 sensors are taken care of. As far as dyno info on our systems, see here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535345 |
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05-24-2011, 10:42 AM | #34 |
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The ESS VT1-535 is my car and I will posting my review, an analysis, and a drag strip run with vbox later in the day.
Please don't make this out to be drama post with who is better than who. For the record, I think Active makes some awesome kits and have talented people at Active Autowerks that contribute greatly to our community. Let's not jump to conclusions, keep things civil, and have a DISCUSSION as a community. |
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if u dont like the thread dont get on it,why bother!!! u r just looking for something to stress about i guess ,good luck !!! |
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05-24-2011, 10:56 AM | #43 |
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numbers are right on from what i have seen. I met M33 and Img really cool guys and down to earth and had nothing but good things to say about various kits. If you guys want to compare a 535 kit vs a stage 2 + i am more than welcome to run when we go over the border. I think Dynos just show you gains and are good indicator on how your car is performing..i feel deltas from before and after dynos is worth it. As for meth its doesnt do anything but cool. Img and M33 say my on and off switch for my meth so you know its not tuned for it. I wish i got a ride in one of your cars on sunday but well save it from next time. Any guys with the ess kit run any quarter mile times? I seem to have the highest trap for a SC e90 M3 so far in the northeast or i could be wrong. 124 mph at 11.8 with a 2.3 60.
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05-24-2011, 10:59 AM | #44 |
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It is a rear 02 simulator, so yes it does affect the rear 02's... Although I am sure you already know this...
I suspect there is an issue with the front 02's as the rear does not affect air fuel... But i'm sure you already know this as well... The delete-r is no longer required by the car your using, so it was suggested it be removed. |
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