Any Other 19x10 "Squared" ZCP owners?

Exclusivs · 10-10-2011, 09:20 PM

Hey Guys,

So far to date, I've only seen one other owner "Malek" pull of a 19x10 squared ZCP wheel setup. Curious to see if there are any others out there who have done it. If so, please shed some light on the topic. I'm considering doing a set of aggressively flushed set ZCP's and want to see what others have pulled off.

For Reference here's Malek setup:

Front BMW M3 GTS 359m 19x10 et25, Michelin PS2 265-35-19
Rear BMW M3 GTS 359m 19x10 et10, Michelin PS2 275-35-19

My car will be on KWV3's. Doesn't look like there is anymore room to lower on Malek's setup. In fact I'm REALLY surprised it doesn't currently rub. Major Propers to him for pulling this off!

Thanks!

-Sam-

MR///M3 · 10-11-2011, 12:02 AM

I love the look, but I can't justify the extra cost of selling my brand new ZCP's and buying four 19x10 gts wheels and new tires just for the front's to be 1 inch wider and have a little wider rubber. I think I may just get my ZCP's painted.

Exclusivs · 10-11-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MR///M3

I love the look, but I can't justify the extra cost of selling my brand new ZCP's and buying four 19x10 gts wheels and new tires just for the front's to be 1 inch wider and have a little wider rubber. I think I may just get my ZCP's painted.

I'd be buying my first set of zcps. Just happens they'd be 19x10 all around

Have fallen for the look I gotta say

bigjae1976 · 10-11-2011, 07:41 AM

How does the rear NOT rub?

elh0102 · 10-11-2011, 07:57 AM

I have a set of 18X10, ET25, and they work fine with 275/35 all around. Not sure why one would go to a 10” width all around, and not use the same offset and tire size. One of the advantages is the freedom to rotate front/rear, which you lose in the suggested setup. And most cars will rub in front with the 265/35-19.

THE TECH · 10-11-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

How does the rear NOT rub?

Agreed.

Bart@AUTOcouture · 10-11-2011, 11:59 AM

Do my 19x10 BBS CH work?

ET20 and ET10

Exclusivs · 10-14-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjae1976

How does the rear NOT rub?

Not sure...But according to Malek it doesn't. I believe the 35 series tire is a bit chunky looking (which he said he's changing up soon.)

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Originally Posted by elh0102

I have a set of 18X10, ET25, and they work fine with 275/35 all around. Not sure why one would go to a 10” width all around, and not use the same offset and tire size. One of the advantages is the freedom to rotate front/rear, which you lose in the suggested setup. And most cars will rub in front with the 265/35-19.

We are talking more so about flushed out fitments. Kind of already, passed that phase of "true function" and rational when you step into this world. Sure what your saying makes sense by the books, but that's not how we do things

1MOREMOD · 10-14-2011, 08:35 PM

i run a square set up also but just use a spacer in the rear so i can have 4 tires and 4 wheels that are the same size and allow rotation all the way around and still sit flush.

aus · 10-15-2011, 12:27 AM

I thought Malek used a spacer, like chriszeh said.

Malek@MRF · 10-17-2011, 12:56 PM

My car has a spacer in the rear to flush it out as you see in the pictures above.

The car does not rub, not in the front or the rear and the car has been tracked with the above setup many times.

-Malek

1MOREMOD · 10-18-2011, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

My car has a spacer in the rear to flush it out as you see in the pictures above.

The car does not rub, not in the front or the rear and the car has been tracked with the above setup many times.

-Malek

yes but your not really running a square set up you have different wheels and tires front to back.

Malek@MRF · 10-18-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chriszeh

yes but your not really running a square set up you have different wheels and tires front to back.

I have 19x10 wheels all around....

After the next track event when the front tires are gone, I will be switching over to 275-30-19 or 285-30-19.

1MOREMOD · 10-18-2011, 11:10 AM

there different offsets also correct so you still wont be able to rotate front to back, which i thought was the point of a square set up. at least for me its why i did it.

Malek@MRF · 10-18-2011, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chriszeh

there different offsets also correct so you still wont be able to rotate front to back, which i thought was the point of a square set up. at least for me its why i did it.

They are not different offsets. The rear has a spacer on it. There is only one size 19x10 GTS wheel.

Ability to rotate the tires is a byproduct of having the square setup. The primary purpose is to change the driving dynamic between understeer/oversteer. I will admit, the car has become a bit more of a handful to drive at the track, but it is something I don't mind because it has tremendous grip. Understeering is easier to deal with than oversteer.

1MOREMOD · 10-18-2011, 07:00 PM

okay i was just going by the first post that says 19x10 et 25 and 19x10 et 10 didnt know you where calculating the offset including spacers usually the backspacing is refered to as a function of the wheel itself. i used a square set up to dial out the understeer as well made the car closer to neutral but still understeers more than over and easier to modulate, played with it on the skidpad and you can feel the car gently shift from under to over. lots of benefits to having the square set. 1. easy to even out tire wear with side to side and front to back rotation. 2. dials out understeer to some degree. 3. having 1 extra wheel and tire is useful can go anywhere on the car if damage or other issue. 4. get a deeper concave look to your front wheel. 5. nice flush look.

snowmants · 11-13-2011, 08:13 PM

So what I am gathering is that there isn't anyone yet who has run a 19x10 et25 front wheel with a 275/30 19 tire, and can verify there is no rubbing.

Bart@AUTOcouture · 11-15-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by snowmants

So what I am gathering is that there isn't anyone yet who has run a 19x10 et25 front wheel with a 275/30 19 tire, and can verify there is no rubbing.

I have 275/30/19 all around.. no rubbing anywhere. Final offset et20 front et10 rear. OEM ZCP is ET25 so you will be more than fine.

Suspension: KW sleeve-over

SROC3 · 11-16-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by snowmants

So what I am gathering is that there isn't anyone yet who has run a 19x10 et25 front wheel with a 275/30 19 tire, and can verify there is no rubbing.

Even if the wheel seems flush, the standard camber setting will push the wheel into a negative slope upon suspension compression - thus, instead of pushing the wheel straight up, it pushes it up and inwards.

Not sure if I explained that well enough....

808elise · 11-27-2011, 12:40 AM

I could not really be much happier with mine. I am also running 275s all the way around. I wish I did this along time ago.

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TRY...M3 · 11-28-2011, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bart@AUTOcouture

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowmants

So what I am gathering is that there isn't anyone yet who has run a 19x10 et25 front wheel with a 275/30 19 tire, and can verify there is no rubbing.

I have 275/30/19 all around.. no rubbing anywhere. Final offset et20 front et10 rear. OEM ZCP is ET25 so you will be more than fine.

Suspension: KW sleeve-over

How do you like the KW sleeve-overs? How low can you go with them compared to just running springs?

shane060 · 03-29-2013, 05:05 PM

So assuming I can run a 19x10 et 25 square with 265-35-19 /275-35-19 ?? Stock EDC suspension??

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Exclusivs Colonel 541 Rep 2,964 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (34)	Any Other 19x10 "Squared" ZCP owners? Hey Guys, So far to date, I've only seen one other owner "Malek" pull of a 19x10 squared ZCP wheel setup. Curious to see if there are any others out there who have done it. If so, please shed some light on the topic. I'm considering doing a set of aggressively flushed set ZCP's and want to see what others have pulled off. For Reference here's Malek setup: Front BMW M3 GTS 359m 19x10 et25, Michelin PS2 265-35-19 Rear BMW M3 GTS 359m 19x10 et10, Michelin PS2 275-35-19 My car will be on KWV3's. Doesn't look like there is anymore room to lower on Malek's setup. In fact I'm REALLY surprised it doesn't currently rub. Major Propers to him for pulling this off! Thanks! -Sam-
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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	i run a square set up also but just use a spacer in the rear so i can have 4 tires and 4 wheels that are the same size and allow rotation all the way around and still sit flush. __________________ 02 Tiag e46 M3\|6MT\|GC plates\|MCS c.o.\|GC bars\|GC race control arms\|GC bushings\|BW eng. & tran. mounts\|subframe kit\|BW race shifter\|BW Jaffster\|Euro header\|BW exhaust\|K&N c.a.i.\|Epic race tune\|Rouge pulleys\|Seibon CF hood\|CSL bumper\|apr gt 250 & splitter\|ST-40\|XR-2\|SS lines\|half cage\|Recaro profi\|Profi 2 harness\|BMWpedals\|BW studs\|
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