M-DCT 0-60 time?

[BMWCali]

Since we haven't seen any of the car mags posting reviews of MDCT yet, has anyone who's taken delivery on one used a G-timer or the like yet? If Car & Driver is getting a 0-60MPH time of 4.1 seconds with the manual gearbox I'm anxious to see if 3.9 can be achieved with MDCT.

[MrHarris]

I think most people will get 4.1-4.2 with M-DCT, Road and Track were the only one's who got 4.1 with the M3 manual. Maybe they can get 4.0. If anyone gets into the 3's i'd be damn impressed.

[footie]

The US times are slightly ahead of what has been achieved in Europe, our average is closer to 4.5s so I reckon 4.3s is a very achievable result from just about anyone on a decent grippy surface.

[BMoney]

I'm guessing a consistent 4.1 - 4.2 unlike the manual that's all over the map.

[Wads]

Originally Posted by footie

The US times are slightly ahead of what has been achieved in Europe, our average is closer to 4.5s so I reckon 4.3s is a very achievable result from just about anyone on a decent grippy surface.

Is that 4.5 to 60 or 62mph? Most European tests will be to 100kph (62mph) appart from us UK/Ireland folks

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by MrHarris

I think most people will get 4.1-4.2 with M-DCT, Road and Track were the only one's who got 4.1 with the M3 manual. Maybe they can get 4.0.

C&D got 4.1, as well, with a sedan (5/08 comparison test with ISF). There may be a 4.0 or two, but traction will be the limitation, I suspect.

[KonigsTiger]

Don't really think you can get down to the 3´s either!!! Really low 4´s could be, but we will see. More interesting may be quarter mile or 50 to 100 etc...!!!

[skierman64]

Put on some stickier tires, and we can get some 3.9 or 4.0s or go to a drag strip with lots of rubber already laid down in the lane. I have two drag strips within 45 minutes of my house. Maybe I'll have to go and try out launch control a few times after break in.

I was reading somewhere that the difference between the US times and the European times is due to techniques of driving and timeing. Like the US testers use a one foot buffer before the clock starts, or something like that, even when comparing 0-60 times. I'm not a drag racing fan, so I don't know the US standard for timing.

[Salespunk]

You are correct that US testers use a 1 ft rollout. I remember reading someplace that this was between a .2 and .3 second reduction in 0-60.

[Hammer]

Also 0-100 kmh = 0-62 miles

i guess these 2 mile will affect in up to .1 sec

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Put on some stickier tires, and we can get some 3.9 or 4.0s or go to a drag strip with lots of rubber already laid down in the lane. I have two drag strips within 45 minutes of my house. Maybe I'll have to go and try out launch control a few times after break in.

I was reading somewhere that the difference between the US times and the European times is due to techniques of driving and timeing. Like the US testers use a one foot buffer before the clock starts, or something like that, even when comparing 0-60 times. I'm not a drag racing fan, so I don't know the US standard for timing.

This is exactly why and all the more reason that 4.0 could be reached with M-DCT

[Minimization]

My guess is we will see 3.9 s with the M DCT. :^)

[T Bone]

Can someone please explain the relevance of the 0-60 test with modern cars over 300 hp?

It is the most useless test ever today. It tests tire traction as much as anything else.

Useless in determining a car's performance....Almost as useless as lateral G test....another great test for tires.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Can someone please explain the relevance of the 0-60 test with modern cars over 300 hp?

It is the most useless test ever today. It tests tire traction as much as anything else.

Useless in determining a car's performance....Almost as useless as lateral G test....another great test for tires.

0-60 is the first proof one would show when claiming their penis is larger than yours. 0-60 is very extremely important in a car. almost all that matters, when you take off the line on an illegal street race before you crash into a tree.
why 0-60 not 1/4 mile? coz 0-60 only breaks ur back, neck, and legs, where's faster speeds might break other organs too. get it?

i'll give you an example. 335 drivers thought their penises have shortened after having 36" ones all year long coz they were running G37's, evo's and porsche's. so you see lots of threads about penis enlargement (aka 335 vs m3) and the whole talk about chipping the thing. so i guess if you chip your penis, it'll be larger

why am i talking about penises? coz im really annoyed like you about the 0-60 and the 'vs.' bullshit

[footie]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Can someone please explain the relevance of the 0-60 test with modern cars over 300 hp?

It is the most useless test ever today. It tests tire traction as much as anything else.

Useless in determining a car's performance....Almost as useless as lateral G test....another great test for tires.

I agree 100% but the fact is that most people can relate to this discipline more than any other. The really important one is 30~70mph through the gears as this is the normal speed limit in most countries and it's your typical overtaking speeds.

But I disagree that 0-60mph is solely a test for tyre traction, the reality is it's testing the efficiency of the transmission design and policies of the respective brands put into place to achieve their desired handling behaviours. Each company have their own beliefs which is best, BMW have rwd and 50/50 balance, Audi choose awd, Porsche go for more rear weight bias and rwd, while Ferrari have front mid-mounted with more rear weight bias among others, each bringing something different to the table and these all effect traction off the line.

Also lateral G tests prove more than just tyre traction, it proves the efficiency of the suspension in combination with the tyres. The M3 hammers the RS4 and S5 on these tests yet it's tyres are roughly identical in size, that's it's better weight balance coming into play.

[ersin]

Originally Posted by MrHarris

I think most people will get 4.1-4.2 with M-DCT, Road and Track were the only one's who got 4.1 with the M3 manual. Maybe they can get 4.0. If anyone gets into the 3's i'd be damn impressed.

Actually, R&T got 4.1 for the coupe and C&D got 4.1 for the sedan. I believe somewhere else they had 4.1 seconds too, but I can't remember who. Because this has been repeated more than once, I wouldn't be surprised to see DCT get these numbers routinely using LC.

[ersin]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Can someone please explain the relevance of the 0-60 test with modern cars over 300 hp?

It is the most useless test ever today. It tests tire traction as much as anything else.

Useless in determining a car's performance....Almost as useless as lateral G test....another great test for tires.

These are only two indications of how fast a car is. What I care about is how much fun, or how good you feel driving the car. There aren't too many rivals to the M3 for this. However, speed and cornering (max G) do give a bit of an indication of how fun a car is. If the M3 did 0 - 60 in 10 seconds I don't think it would be nearly as nice to drive.

And I won't chip my penis. If I did it would drag the ground and void the warranty.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by ersin

These are only two indications of how fast a car is. What I care about is how much fun, or how good you feel driving the car. There aren't too many rivals to the M3 for this. However, speed and cornering (max G) do give a bit of an indication of how fun a car is. If the M3 did 0 - 60 in 10 seconds I don't think it would be nearly as nice to drive.

And I won't chip my penis. If I did it would drag the ground and void the warranty.

u know the veyron does 0-60 in like 5.7 sec? does that tell you anything about 0-60?

[footie]

Originally Posted by mantis

u know the veyron does 0-60 in like 5.7 sec? does that tell you anything about 0-60?

But only if you do pre-flight checks for the first 3.2 seconds of that.

[!Xoible]

lol no the take off on that thing isnt that fast, it just takes off around 50 or so and becomes crazy fast. point is 0-60 doesnt mean jack

[Davo2003]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Can someone please explain the relevance of the 0-60 test with modern cars over 300 hp?

It is the most useless test ever today. It tests tire traction as much as anything else.

Useless in determining a car's performance....Almost as useless as lateral G test....another great test for tires.

Remember, we live in a land where people will pay $5 for a Starbucks instead of 10 cents for a cup of instant at home....relevance has nothing to do with it, have to please the masses.

[ersin]

Originally Posted by mantis

u know the veyron does 0-60 in like 5.7 sec? does that tell you anything about 0-60?

That must be 0 - 60 miles per second. Besides, jet engines take a few seconds to spool up.