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View Poll Results: Which one of the following do you consider to be the last ream ///M Car? | |||
E30 M3 | 27 | 12.50% | |
E46 M3 | 26 | 12.04% | |
E9X M3 | 124 | 57.41% | |
E39 M5 | 1 | 0.46% | |
E60 M5 | 1 | 0.46% | |
E63 M6 | 1 | 0.46% | |
E82 1M | 13 | 6.02% | |
Other (specify in thread - M1 does not count) | 4 | 1.85% | |
N/A - I like the direction and future that the M division is headed for. | 19 | 8.80% | |
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07-05-2011, 12:59 AM | #25 |
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And which one of the other choices would you consider has the most similar characteristics to the E30 M3? What, you no lol'ing no more?
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uh the e30 M3 is the only real M car but after that is the e46 then e9x... still lol'ing hard brah
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The CSL is what an M car really should be (despite the fact that it's SMG exclusive). Also, the E46 had a Competition Package that was actually worth buying because it actually made the car faster. The E9X ZCP should have a different name because, in comparison, it's nothing short of a joke. |
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Just to clarify... What's your definition of "REAL"?
Is it raw power? Or last N/A ///M? Or it's authentic ///M and not some knock off from China?
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1M because it HAZ the N54 POWER
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Oh, we all feel deeply. I don't think any of us would have coughed up this kind of money if the E9x wasn't everything it is. I think if the E9x's weighed what the E46's did, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The E9x M3 is simply the greatest all-around car of all time but some other iterations have just been a little purer in purpose.
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I dont have e46 m3 & e9x m3, so I'm neutral & not bias. I voted e46 m3. However, I think the e92 m3 looks better than the e46 m3.
I really like the e92 m3, & I might get it. But from my point of view, the e9x m3 isn't as pure as the e46 m3 for the reason being: - v8 (not as balanced as inline-6) - Heavy can't think of anything else at this time.
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I'm surprised nobody has acknowledged that we are dancing around the fact that the F3x M3 turbo engine is a compromise. M has always felt this way about turbos but now that everyone is obsessed with fuel economy they had to give in. Don't say "herp derp but the torque".. please. M could built a NA engine with more torque if they felt it was necessary. If you've driven an E9x M3 you will see that the torque is just fine. The lack of torque is masked by gearing anyway. E9x M3 is the end of an era plain and simple. We now enter the world of compromise. I admit that the F3x will be quicker no doubt. Still. Not this crap again. Can someone explain to me what "not as balanced" means??? Ridiculous. Said like a true forum goer that has not driven the car. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the S54 and the E46 will be more flickable. But so is the E36. And the E30 moreso.
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So, it is perfectly balanced from end to end. It's also efficient in terms of pumping out good horsepower & torque, & not as expensive to build than the better boxer flat-6. Yes, flame me, but Porsche's flat-6 is a better engine. a v8 is 2 inline-4 mated together. it cant achieve piston movement like inline-6. It has end-to-end vibration, & so the builder usually uses another shaft to counter/reduce the vibration. so, in terms of perfectly balanced engine, no vibration from end-to-end, it's inline-6, v12 (2 inline6 mated), & flat-6. I'm not an engineer, so please educate me if i'm wrong.
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Discussion of particular hardware always gets into personal preferences. That's why this type of discussion never goes anywhere other than "I like X" at its core. Sometimes it's followed with an "and I am right."
The fundamental outlook and approach is the real basis for the M tradition and the products it develops. The excitement of running a car towards its limits in any situation is what is common to all of the models, regardless of whether any of them fits the personal interests of an individual driver. Rather than an arbitrary template based upon numbers of cylinders, electronics, weight, etc. the following is a better and more comprehensive definition - Quote:
http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/07/05/bm...-drive-review/ |
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