Cars in Action review: M3 vs. RS4

[M&M]

Here you go guys:

[mkoesel]

335i MSport Not available in US

The RS4 Avant, M6 cab and S65 aren't exactly the cream of the crop in track competition though. I don't understand this mag - why didn't they put the M3 and RS4 sedan on that track?

Oh and thanks for posting the scan M&M.

[M&M]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I don't understand this mag - why didn't they put the M3 and RS4 sedan on that track?
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They did. The scans are on the 1st page. The 335 was tested before the RS4 & M3.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by M&M

They did. The scans are on the 1st page. The 335 was tested before the RS4 & M3.

Ok, my bad

In my defense, it had been so long since the original post I completely forgot the test details. Seems like they should have revised the 335i article though, seeing as how its in the same issue. Oh well.

So:

M3: 2 min 5.1 sec
335i: 2min 6.09 sec
RS4: 2 min 7 sec

So here's yet another example of the 335i beating the RS4 around a track. Now granted, when performance is this close you can always find a track to make one car faster than another. Also, altitude obviously played a roll here. But still that is just more proof of how good a car the 335i is. Now the M3, of course, is even better.

[thedoctor]

Whats really interesting and enjoyable (for M coupe owners at least) is that if you flip to the back of the magazine, where all the road test data is, you will notice they got 5.38s for the Z4 M coupe.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by thedoctor

Whats really interesting and enjoyable (for M coupe owners at least) is that if you flip to the back of the magazine, where all the road test data is, you will notice they got 5.38s for the Z4 M coupe.

Yeah, speaking of that why is the 335i so slow 0-60? It should have had an advantage at altitude being that it is turbocharged.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

335i MSport Not available in US

...but many of us have all of the ///M Sport parts.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

...but many of us have all of the ///M Sport parts.

Body kit

But not suspension, interior trim, headliner, window trim and alcantra seats Course you could add all that too - I think stressdoc has most of it now

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Body kit

But not suspension, interior trim, headliner, window trim and alcantra seats Course you could add all that too - I think stressdoc has most of it now

I had the trim, and I still have the wheel/shifter/ebrake, etc. Tischer BMW aided in all of that. Go Tischer!!!

[JEllis]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

1 measly second over 2+ minute laps for $25-30K? And that's the Sedan! Game, set, and match in the slightly modded 335i versus M3 discussion.

This was at altitude..

Plus, I just done understand your argument. BMW engineerd the M3 to be better. The M3 laps the ring about 23 seconds faster than the 335i...thats a lifetime in racing..

[southlight]

Hmm, what's the warning triangle on the bottom left of every post for?

Best regards, south

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by southlight

Hmm, what's the warning triangle on the bottom left of every post for?

Best regards, south

Not sure but my reply and E's as well was edited away. I did not think they were breaking any forum rules...

[Jason]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Not sure but my reply and E's as well was edited away. I did not think they were breaking any forum rules...

They didn't. We were just eliminating the posts which incite m3 vs. 335 arguments, along with the responses.

[mkoesel]

Thanks Jason. Nothing wrong with some friendly debate, but some folks just bring nothing but hate to the table. (And no I don't mean that to be directed to anyone specifically.)

[sdiver68]

I certainly broke no rules, disappointing that pro-M3 posts are kept but pro-335i posts were not kept.

I did not start the 335i comparison in this thread, others did. I leave these topics alone until I see blatant disinformation posted.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Jason

They didn't. We were just eliminating the posts which incite m3 vs. 335 arguments, along with the responses.

So was this issue simply "off topic" or "we (admins) don't support 335i vs M3 debates here". If it was the former I'd say most threads would have to be completely edited deleted. Conversations tend to wander OT but folks seem to self regulate and get things back on topic or simply enjoy the new conversation. If the issue was the latter I would say the debate it good and valuable and almost always remains civil.

[Keto]

All the m3 vs 335 stuff tends to degenerate into ad hominem attacks. It's most likely why each group finds the other so tiresome.

[BMWCali]

Originally Posted by the_stranger

0 - 100KMPH in 5.6 sec??? Must be a joke.

They are indeed smoking some good stuff. My 330i almost gets to 60MPH that fast.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Keto

All the m3 vs 335 stuff tends to degenerate into ad hominem attacks. It's most likely why each group finds the other so tiresome.

I disagree. There is some trash talk in these discussions. I certainly will claim that I do not resort to such childish techniques to argue. I have found most of the debates on this to be fairly civil. Yes a bit tedious/repetitive but they still have typically remained civil.

Still waitin for a reply from Jason. I diagree with the removal of those posts.

[absoluteis350]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yeah, speaking of that why is the 335i so slow 0-60? It should have had an advantage at altitude being that it is turbocharged.

You want to see something equally crazy to the 335 beating the RS4 around that track?

Take a look at their attained acceleration times:

335: 0-60 5.6s 1/4 mi 13.8s
M3: 0-60 5.6s 1/4 mi 13.8s
RS4: 0-60 5.4s 1/4 mi 13.5s

How is the M3 not faster in a straight line than the 335????

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by absoluteis350

You want to see something equally crazy to the 335 beating the RS4 around that track?

Take a look at their attained acceleration times:

335: 0-60 5.6s 1/4 mi 13.8s
M3: 0-60 5.6s 1/4 mi 13.8s
RS4: 0-60 5.4s 1/4 mi 13.5s

How is the M3 not faster in a straight line than the 335????

Maybe because they suck at obtaining/reporting accurate results?

[absoluteis350]

LOL thats what I was thinking