My Swift Spec-R Review: Street & Track

[swifty]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-M3

There is no right or wrong answer but I did hear great feedback on B&G and how they have aggressive height and yet they still maintain OEM ride in all modes.

I highly doubt some one with Swifts switched to B&G cuz that's the only way they would be able to discern B&G is better. Or extended time with cars equipped with both.

Also I believe EAS owns B&G so if they said it's better I would check with few owners. Again I had H&R owners say those were amazing until the sat in my car and realized the "bounce" and constantly riding the bump stop wasn't normal.

[duvinclunk]

Originally Posted by swifty

I highly doubt some one with Swifts switched to B&G cuz that's the only way they would be able to discern B&G is better. Or extended time with cars equipped with both.

Also I believe EAS owns B&G so if they said it's better I would check with few owners. Again I had H&R owners say those were amazing until the sat in my car and realized the "bounce" and constantly riding the bump stop wasn't normal.

Well I may doing such in the near future. The Swifts drive nicely but I'd really just like to be a tad lower in the front.

I've never heard EAS owning B&G.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by swifty

I highly doubt some one with Swifts switched to B&G cuz that's the only way they would be able to discern B&G is better. Or extended time with cars equipped with both.

Also I believe EAS owns B&G so if they said it's better I would check with few owners. Again I had H&R owners say those were amazing until the sat in my car and realized the "bounce" and constantly riding the bump stop wasn't normal.

We do not own B&G springs, but they do offer a fantastic product.

[swifty]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

We do not own B&G springs, but they do offer a fantastic product.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[swifty]

Originally Posted by duvinclunk

Well I may doing such in the near future. The Swifts drive nicely but I'd really just like to be a tad lower in the front.

I've never heard EAS owning B&G.

Try out both and see what suits you. If it's comfort you are after, B&G being progressive might be the way to go.

[duvinclunk]

Originally Posted by swifty

Try out both and see what suits you. If it's comfort you are after, B&G being progressive might be the way to go.

The linear nature of the Swifts really appeal to me but I'm just so anal about the drop and doing all I can to avoid coilovers. The car will see 2-3 track days a year so sheer performance isn't important as I'll have fun either way but would love to keep linear.

[simpleM3]

What are you guys debating here?

[duvinclunk]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

What are you guys debating here?

I wasn't aware that anyone was debating anything...

[simpleM3]

I got the impression that you were comparing/debating BG vs. Swift. I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by duvinclunk

I wasn't aware that anyone was debating anything...

[duvinclunk]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

I got the impression that you were comparing/debating BG vs. Swift. I stand corrected.

More trying to decide what to buy. They're both good for what they're designed for, just trying to determine for myself whether or not to switch to B&G from the Swift's.

[simpleM3]

Understood. I have a brand new set of Swift in my trunk. Haven't had time to get them installed. I did a lot of research before deciding on Swift. I'm sure you read everything I read. I didn't find any negative reviews or comments and that was shocking to me. I am currently in the middle of reading your thread where this is also being discussed. In my opinion, I can't imagine it being worth it to go through the hassle of replacing Swift with B&G. I highly doubt the improvement would anything more than negligible. If you're DIY, can't be worth the time or hassle and if you're paying to have it done, definitely not worth the money. If you were deciding on which to buy I can see the merit in the discussion, but you not only already own the Swift, but you also have them installed. With the said, unless you truly hate them and can't stand the DD, may not be worth the time/hassle or money.

Originally Posted by duvinclunk

More trying to decide what to buy. They're both good for what they're designed for, just trying to determine for myself whether or not to switch to B&G from the Swift's.

[duvinclunk]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

Understood. I have a brand new set of Swift in my trunk. Haven't had time to get them installed. I did a lot of research before deciding on Swift. I'm sure you read everything I read. I didn't find any negative reviews or comments and that was shocking to me. I am currently in the middle of reading your thread where this is also being discussed. In my opinion, I can't imagine it being worth it to go through the hassle of replacing Swift with B&G. I highly doubt the improvement would anything more than negligible. If you're DIY, can't be worth the time or hassle and if you're paying to have it done, definitely not worth the money. If you were deciding on which to buy I can see the merit in the discussion, but you not only already own the Swift, but you also have them installed. With the said, unless you truly hate them and can't stand the DD, may not be worth the time/hassle or money.

I see your point. I would do it myself, we installed a lift here at work so we can do this kind of stuff to our cars. Took me maybe 2 hours to swap them before, no big deal. I'm just super anal about how things look aesthetically. They drive great (Swift's). Just want the front to be slightly lower as the front appears to have not even dropped much at all. Haven't decided yet on what to do. The good part would be that the Swift's can be sold for what I bought them for.

[simpleM3]

That's interesting and concerning to me. I too really only bought these to kill some of that front gap. I've seen pictures and they appeared to meet that objective. Curious as to why they didn't make a difference on your car. Do you have pics?

Originally Posted by duvinclunk

I see your point. I would do it myself, we installed a lift here at work so we can do this kind of stuff to our cars. Took me maybe 2 hours to swap them before, no big deal. I'm just super anal about how things look aesthetically. They drive great (Swift's). Just want the front to be slightly lower as the front appears to have not even dropped much at all. Haven't decided yet on what to do. The good part would be that the Swift's can be sold for what I bought them for.

[Shredicus]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

That's interesting and concerning to me. I too really only bought these to kill some of that front gap. I've seen pictures and they appeared to meet that objective. Curious as to why they didn't make a difference on your car. Do you have pics?

Just went out and grabbed a shot of my E92 on swifts front drop.
265/35/19, shaved guide supports, e36 bump stops, Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber

[swifty]

On 18s with 265/35 the gap in the front is a bit more than 255/35/19s. 19 inch wheel closed the gap significantly better than my 18s.

Problem is the car rides way better with 18s for me.

If you want to go lower than B&G and swifts I rather go with RD sports with e36 bump stops.

Based on pics I don't see much difference aesthetically speaking with B&G and Swifts.

[simpleM3]

That looks plenty in my opinion. Did the shaving the guide support make a difference in the drop?

Originally Posted by Shredicus

Just went out and grabbed a shot of my E92 on swifts front drop.
265/35/19, shaved guide supports, Dinan camber plates, -1.5 camber

[Shredicus]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

That looks plenty in my opinion. Did the shaving the guide support make a difference in the drop?

Yes, but the dinan camber plates pretty much negate the difference since they add a little thickness. Also edited my original post after reading swifty's. Forgot to note I am also running the e36 bumpstops although that should make no difference in ride height, just rebound.

[duvinclunk]

Here is my drop with the springs installed:




Sorry for the really crappy photos. They were taken on my iPhone in shorts when I was trying to run back inside because it was so cold. I sent these pictures to Swift and they said it appears normal for the springs. I just don't believe it based on other pictures, like the one above, of others with these springs.

[simpleM3]

Gotcha. I bought those too, just for peace of mind since it was debated by many and probably subjective like many mods comments/opinions. Even if I got a .75 drop I would be happy. The stock height is unbearably unattractive

Originally Posted by Shredicus

Yes, but the dinan camber plates pretty much negate the difference since they add a little thickness. Also edited my original post after reading swifty's. Forgot to note I am also running the e36 bumpstops although that should make no difference in ride height, just rebound.

[simpleM3]

His is noticeably lower than yours, but I'm looking more for what you have...or maybe a tab bit lower. My stock is so bad, that I guess anything lower looks good to me. lol

Originally Posted by duvinclunk

Here is my drop with the springs installed:



Sorry for the really crappy photos. They were taken on my iPhone in shorts when I was trying to run back inside because it was so cold. I sent these pictures to Swift and they said it appears normal for the springs. I just don't believe it based on other pictures, like the one above, of others with these springs.

[duvinclunk]

Originally Posted by simpleM3

His is noticeably lower than yours, but I'm looking more for what you have...or maybe a tab bit lower. My stock is so bad, that I guess anything lower looks good to me. lol

Mine is a ZCP car and seriously doesn't appear any lower than the factory springs.

[simpleM3]

He is also running 265s in the front so that might make a difference in terms of helping with filling in the gap

Originally Posted by duvinclunk

Mine is a ZCP car and seriously doesn't appear any lower than the factory springs.