September 11th

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by anglo

You should watch this video by civil engineers and architects not guys like Jesse Ventura. It's hs physics.

See. This is bs. All these so called proofs are debunked but people don't see the debunks. The reality is a small group of trained radical Muslim terrorists did this with funding from Osama bin Laden and a plan from Ramsey Yosef and his uncle KSM. It did nobody any good except them. 3000 people died including my mentor, my weight lifting partner and a guy from my home town known for saying let's roll. The academic community however has embraced pc antiestablishment bs outlook and promotes these farses. Yeah, I just saw Elvis too.

Oh and to debunk your two videos, they didn't say that when the towers were built, the designers made it so it would collapse straight down. There was a worry they would fall sideways and take out half of Manhattan when they were built. The designers put in weak points so it would collapse on itself which sped up the collapse. This was widely publicized when they were being built. I know. I was alive and learned that. These are bogus engineers, not thousands, not familiar with the structural plans. Notice no explosions are seen in the collapse? Total bs. These "theories" are prevalent also more in foreign countries. I guess because they are more socialist, liberal, and pc and Don't want to admit we are victims or some muslin ideologies are just purely evil.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

See. This is bs. All these so called proofs are debunked but people don't see the debunks. The reality is a small group of trained terrorists did this with funding from Osama bin Laden and a plan from Ramsey Yosef and his uncle KSM. It did nobody any good except them. 3000 people died including my mentor, my weight lifting partner and a guy from my home town known for saying let's roll. The academic community however has embraced pc antiestablishment bs outlook and promotes these farses. Yeah, I just saw Elvis too.

I'm always amazed that people think you can blow a corner from a tall building, rock the foundation, and nothing would happen.

I'm sorry for your loss.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Lups

I'm always amazed that people think you can blow a corner from a tall building, rock the foundation, and nothing would happen.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Thx, I take comfort in that my weight lifting buddy was a fireman who died saving others. I get angry when people say the Muslims in places like Paterson NJ weren't celebrating, I saw them, on 9/11 and the libtards, mostly baby boomers, were protesting us going after them in the weeks that followed in my home town where I and my firefighter buddy lived.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Lups

I think it's in our nature to have ceremonies, and each of us needs them. You're correct but about 50 years ahead of your time.

And here I thought YOU were the only hippie on these boards

[jgoens]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

See. This is bs. All these so called proofs are debunked but people don't see the debunks. The reality is a small group of trained radical Muslim terrorists did this with funding from Osama bin Laden and a plan from Ramsey Yosef and his uncle KSM. It did nobody any good except them. 3000 people died including my mentor, my weight lifting partner and a guy from my home town known for saying let's roll. The academic community however has embraced pc antiestablishment bs outlook and promotes these farses. Yeah, I just saw Elvis too.

Oh and to debunk your two videos, they didn't say that when the towers were built, the designers made it so it would collapse straight down. There was a worry they would fall sideways and take out half of Manhattan when they were built. The designers put in weak points so it would collapse on itself which sped up the collapse. This was widely publicized when they were being built. I know. I was alive and learned that. These are bogus engineers, not thousands, not familiar with the structural plans. Notice no explosions are seen in the collapse? Total bs. These "theories" are prevalent also more in foreign countries. I guess because they are more socialist, liberal, and pc and Don't want to admit we are victims or some muslin ideologies are just purely evil.

A little research proves this to be correct.


While the buildings were designed to support enormous static loads, they provided little resistance to the moving mass of the sections above the floors where the collapses initiated. Structural systems respond very differently to static and dynamic loads, and since the motion of the falling portion began as a free fall through the height of at least one story (roughly three meters or 10 feet), the structure beneath them was unable to stop the collapses once they began. Indeed, a fall of only half a meter (about 20 inches) would have been enough to release the necessary energy to begin an unstoppable collapse.[55]
Collapse initiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collap...d_Trade_Center

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jgoens

A little research proves this to be correct.


While the buildings were designed to support enormous static loads, they provided little resistance to the moving mass of the sections above the floors where the collapses initiated. Structural systems respond very differently to static and dynamic loads, and since the motion of the falling portion began as a free fall through the height of at least one story (roughly three meters or 10 feet), the structure beneath them was unable to stop the collapses once they began. Indeed, a fall of only half a meter (about 20 inches) would have been enough to release the necessary energy to begin an unstoppable collapse.[55]
Collapse initiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collap...d_Trade_Center

Correct. The reason they coapsed was also because the jet fuel burned so hot it melted the structure. They had designed in for it to be hit by smaller planes like the Empire State was but not a modern jumbo jet freshly topped off. Believe me, my opinions are what the radicals want. The say they succeeded. The conspiracy theory bs is what libtards who want to make radical Muslim terrorists freedom fighters are what they want. Stupid sheep.

[GoRomeo]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I was in Manhattan on 9/11. First jet flew right over me. My girlfriend at the time happened to be at the WTC rail station and was killed by falling debris when said jet hit. Needless to say ill have no problem remembering.

Sorry about your loss bro!

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by GoRomeo

Sorry about your loss bro!

+1

[Fundguy1]

To all you snowflakes. If your professor says this was a government operation and not radical Muslims, feel free to punch them in the nose and send me the legal bill.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

To all you snowflakes. If your professor says this was a government operation and not radical Muslims, feel free to punch them in the nose and send me the legal bill.

Offer good for non-flakes who graduated in 80s/90s? Must it be a professor?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Offer good for non-flakes who graduated in 80s/90s? Must it be a professor?

Non flakes no. Flakes typically live in their parents basement and complain they can't find a job but then vote for Bernie. Maybe they'll start to wake up from their utopian ideal of everyone deserves equal, which worked well for the Soviets obviously. Professors are prime targets but we can negotiate about others. Whoopie Goldberg, Madonna, Rosie, etc.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

To all you snowflakes. If your professor says this was a government operation and not radical Muslims, feel free to punch them in the nose and send me the legal bill.

I was amazed when I was in college how many of the classes were taught based on the professor's opinions, not necessarily what was fact or the material itself. And of course if I voiced my opinion about it, I was the bad guy.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

I was amazed when I was in college how many of the classes were taught based on the professor's opinions, not necessarily what was fact or the material itself. And of course if I voiced my opinion about it, I was the bad guy.

Yeah. Mine too even 25 yrs ago. One class I had was philosophy based. The question of the course was could machines mimic life so well they became alive. I attened all my classes, was actibe in discussions, and wrote my paper saying no, they'd just be complex machines still, backed it up with data, etc. Got an F. Retook the class, didn't attend a single class, wrote a cheesy paper that said of course, and got a B+ it's opinion, which is equally valid on both sides, but only valid if you agree with the professors liberal view. This is the bs of universities. I learned then and there university professors were not tolerant of differing views and had liberal agendas. In fact, I only had one that was conservative, but he respected both viewpoints. Bunch of hacks really.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Yeah. Mine too even 25 yrs ago. One class I had was philosophy based. The question of the course was could machines mimic life so well they became alive. I attened all my classes, was actibe in discussions, and wrote my paper saying no, they'd just be complex machines still, backed it up with data, etc. Got an F. Retook the class, didn't attend a single class, wrote a cheesy paper that said of course, and got a B+ it's opinion, which is equally valid on both sides, but only valid if you agree with the professors liberal view. This is the bs of universities. I learned then and there university professors were not tolerant of differing views and had liberal agendas. In fact, I only had one that was conservative, but he respected both viewpoints. Bunch of hacks really.

Did you reference more of the professor's own books in the second paper? I found that to be worth at least 1.5 letter grades in my Master's program.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Did you reference more of the professor's own books in the second paper? I found that to be worth at least 1.5 letter grades in my Master's program.

Not even. The professor has a photocopy book spiral bound. Shoddy.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Not even. The professor has a photocopy book spiral bound. Shoddy.

We had to write that paper in the ninth grade and i argued with huge maturity that if i can count three equations in a minute, and a computer based organism can do thousands, we truly need to worry about our dependency on artificial intelligence and it taking over, and maybe before having this argument, we should perhaps look in to the risks first.

My teacher, a fifty year old nerd told me to stop watching terminator.

[Fundguy1]

Yeah, wasn't even if the machines could take over or anything. It was would they be alive, as in really alive vs just mimicking life. I said they could mimic life perfectly but wouldn't be alive and would never have that spark, essence, call it a soul or consciousness we call life. She didn't like that.

[UncleWede]

Self awareness? No, then not alive.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Self awareness? No, then not alive.

My point exactly. Her view was we were in effect just biological machines and no more alive than a computer. What a joke. To not even accept the other viewpoint properly argued as an alternative worthy of a grade.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Yeah, wasn't even if the machines could take over or anything. It was would they be alive, as in really alive vs just mimicking life. I said they could mimic life perfectly but wouldn't be alive and would never have that spark, essence, call it a soul or consciousness we call life. She didn't like that.

Ours wasn't machines taking over either, i just took it there since they would require an environment naturally.

It was a two hour exam paper to write. I got like an 85% for making good points but my main argument was outside from the question. I also had watched the terminator that week, i might have also mentioned that i would totally take my personal Arnold naked and that act alone means that I'm a humanist since i was saving the poor bikers from violence.

[Haywood]

I finally went back to Ground Zero last year. I said I wouldn't go back until it the new building was complete. The museum was very well done. It was pretty brutal going through it as I found the names of the people I knew. I knew I had to do it, but it wasn't easy.

On the other hand, the whole experience of the Freedom Tower was such a disappointment and it really sickening me. They turned it into a tourist attraction which basically means they are making money off of this horrific event. It's like $35 a person just to go through the "tour" and then to the top. They take you through a pathway to the elevators and talk about how it was built. I have to say that the elevator ride was pretty cool as the sides are screens and it shows you each decade in NYC and how it changed throughout the years. When I worked in those buildings in the late 90's, I used to go to Windows on World. It was a great restaurant with great views and food. But, now at the top, they gather everyone in a room to do the big "revel" by slowly open up the shades! Ohhhh boy! Just so cheesy. Now, there are no restaurants, but these small bistros with expensive, unimpressive food. You can't even walk outside like you used to in the old building. If that's your first time to the area and the building, you don't think much of it. But, real NY'ers who lived and work there know what it used to be like until savages ruined it.

I still recommend going to the museum if you decide to go. I would skip the Freedom Tower IMO.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Haywood

I finally went back to Ground Zero last year. I said I wouldn't go back until it the new building was complete. The museum was very well done. It was pretty brutal going through it as I found the names of the people I knew. I knew I had to do it, but it wasn't easy.

On the other hand, the whole experience of the Freedom Tower was such a disappointment and it really sickening me. They turned it into a tourist attraction which basically means they are making money off of this horrific event. It's like $35 a person just to go through the "tour" and then to the top. They take you through a pathway to the elevators and talk about how it was built. I have to say that the elevator ride was pretty cool as the sides are screens and it shows you each decade in NYC and how it changed throughout the years. When I worked in those buildings in the late 90's, I used to go to Windows on World. It was a great restaurant with great views and food. But, now at the top, they gather everyone in a room to do the big "revel" by slowly open up the shades! Ohhhh boy! Just so cheesy. Now, there are no restaurants, but these small bistros with expensive, unimpressive food. You can't even walk outside like you used to in the old building. If that's your first time to the area and the building, you don't think much of it. But, real NY'ers who lived and work there know what it used to be like until savages ruined it.

I still recommend going to the museum if you decide to go. I would skip the Freedom Tower IMO.

My impression too. Also, the freedom tower vs the twin towers is honestly unimpressive. It saddens me to see this structure replace what were to me two of the most impressive structures ever built. Kinda cheapens things in a way. I too miss Windows on the world, walking outside on the observation deck, which I did with a dozen family members a couple weeks before they were attacked and fell. To me it's too homogenized.