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So what would you expect to get? I got about the same in the RS4 we used as a comparison and yet averaged 23-24mpg on the drive down to Southern Spain. |
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I averaged 8-9 MPG with my E46 M3 last time in driving school. I get 21.6 MPG in daily driving and about 29-30 MPG on the highway doing 75-80 mph. The point is the magazine test drive mileage doesn't mean much. Yea it won't be a gas sipper but I wouldn't draw conclusions so early.
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No way to know what the guzzler tax will be until it is tested to EPA standards for the US. You won't be able to directly compare EPA numbers with the old models, either, because the tests have been changed for 2008 for more "realistic" estimated numbers. The tax will still be based on the old mileage protocol, though.
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How much was the guzzler tax on your E46?
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$1,300 (20.5 - 21.4 mpg, 55% city, 45% hwy).
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It's possible. The thing is we don't know BMW's test conditions and how they relate to the EPA test, nor how they were weighted city/hwy. As long as mileage is not much worse I will be okay. If it's better I will be ecstatic--buying a V8 in these days of heightened awareness on global warming does give me pause.
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Very informative posts. We will all be buying or not buying the M3 for slightly different reasons. I would guess those using the M3 as a daily driver are more interested in the mileage than those who don't. I understand that the M3 has a lot of horses to feed and they must be fed. My question is, how will the mileage to horsepower to performance ratio be in relation to it's competition. To me, this shows the quality of engineering in the motor. The 335 is so attractive because it can get better mileage than it's competition, yet out run it. Of course, this is in large part due to direct injection and FI. The M division is deservedly lauded for it's engineering prowess, but it seems the M5 and M3 motors are very thirsty for their small displacement. I understand they rev higher than most of the competition, but they also lack torque which generally accompanies high rev power plants. The thing that stuck out for me with these limited reviews ,besides the steering, which by the way I think they will fix, is how the majority of the journalists made a point to emphasise the M3's poor mileage. These journalist knew they were driving a 420 horsepower sports car very hard and have driven other sports cars very hard, but have you ever seen so many reviews that seemed enamored by the poor mileage? Hopefully, part of it was the efficient dynamics malarky drilled into their head before they drove it. Now if BMW says the E92 is 8% or more efficient, doesn't testing actually have to back it up? Few talk about American engineering, but I believe the vette engines are the best engineered production engines in the world. They are simple in design, reliable, less parts to break down, such as fancy throttle bodies, vanos etc, etc. Loads of useable horsepower and torque on a commute or the track and the great mileage in relation to its competition. And the powerplant is based on a very old pushrod design. Quit frankly an amazing feat. Love the saying, "keep it simple stupid." I won't buy a Vette because it is not as practical and I have never been enthralled with them. Like others here, there is just something too alluring about the M Division. |
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Thanks--my intent is to provide as much useful information as possible and enter reasonable discussions, but try to avoid extreme rhetoric that seems the fad lately.
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No, you are correct. Torque is essentially a function of displacement (forced induction increases effective displacement). An 18,000 RPM 3L F1 motor will not make appreciably more torque than a 8000 RPM 3L I6 or V6 is a passenger car. In fact, most every engine (naturally aspirated, that is) on the market will make between 70lb-ft and 85lb-ft per liter of displacement. Go ahead and look up any car from Kia to Ferrari and you will see this to be true. Even if you look at racing engines, you will not see anything over 100lb-ft per liter.
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They didn't make this ultra fast F1 tech 9000rpm engine to be driven at 1500-2000rpm!
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I'm sorry I thought this was a car enthuasiast site not www.Idontshavemyarmpits.com or www.haveyouhuggedatreetoday.com
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So buying a performance car is considering the environment?
Tell me, which performance car will you buy instead, that matches 35+ mpg that the purposely-built eco-friendly cars on the market can get? There is only one I can think of - Tesla. But I hope you have $100k and are on the list already. Not to mention it has none of the refinement and function of them M3. |
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Why? Is it money?
If it is, then you must know exactly how much the M3 will cost already then, right? Because if you don't then how do you know that the MSRP won't be lower than your expectation such that the total cost of ownership is the same as or even lower than you were expecting? Or maybe its environmental? If so, just see my post above. Honestly what in hell are people looking for in a car? Its nuts. "Oh you mean the M3 doesn't pick up my dog's crap and also double as a Jacuzzi? Well, F**k me, I'm totally out then." |
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