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[kmarei]

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

your missing the point and i see your rocking their wheels so I'm not gonna hate, you got to defend your investment and I understand. What is wrong with it, is they make their offset and fitments look much more aggressive than they really are. And since they already have a track record, that does not fly well with me.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=665859

if adv edited those pics, wheels would look flush and car would be dumped. but their not and we can clearly see their rims are not nearly as aggressive as advertised. i don't mean to piss any of you fan boys off so i'll let it be at that take it how u want to.

now check out these adv edited images;
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=566635

the e90 is dumped in the pictures, in fact the third picture is ridiculous.. go to page 2 and watch the video of the car, the car is atleast an inch and half higher all around, and they even went as far as to edit out the orange reflectors.. Not like that matters but one of the most important determinants in buying a wheel for me is fitment aside from quality.

ever seen a Victoria's secret catalogue?
i have a friend that does photoshop for that
she says have the pictures are altered, or "enhanced" as her boss says
no woman has boobs that perfect

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

You need to get out more...

unaltered pics or ban!!


if you're gonna talk the talk
you better back it up with proof!

[MR///M3]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Holy thread-jack batman... start your own thread, this is not a thread where every ding-dong adds their complaint to the list.

+1

[M3ryder55]

fan boys. i'll let u be. suck it easy. people start making fun of others grammar when they can't come back. fact is, i bet you i am more educated than you are or you will ever be.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Holy thread-jack batman... start your own thread, this is not a thread where every ding-dong adds their complaint to the list.

Clearly you have not been following this thread then..b/c that's exactly what it's about

[MR///M3]

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

fan boys. i'll let u be. suck it easy. people start making fun of others grammar when they can't come back. fact is, i bet you i am more educated than you are or you will ever be.

doubtful.



but lets keep this thread on topic.

[M3PO]

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

your missing the point and i see your rocking their wheels so I'm not gonna hate, you got to defend your investment and I understand. What is wrong with it, is they make their offset and fitments look much more aggressive than they really are. And since they already have a track record, that does not fly well with me.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=665859

if adv edited those pics, wheels would look flush and car would be dumped. but their not and we can clearly see their rims are not nearly as aggressive as advertised. i don't mean to piss any of you fan boys off so i'll let it be at that take it how u want to.

now check out these adv edited images;
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=566635

the e90 is dumped in the pictures, in fact the third picture is ridiculous.. go to page 2 and watch the video of the car, the car is atleast an inch and half higher all around, and they even went as far as to edit out the orange reflectors.. Not like that matters but one of the most important determinants in buying a wheel for me is fitment aside from quality.

ADV.1 isn't selling suspension. It's up to you to "dump" the car as much as you see fit. Likewise, it's also up to you to choose your widths and offsets. Who cares how aggressive they are in the pictures? You could tell ADV.1 that you want them so aggressive they stick out 2" on each side and they'd build them for you. Do some research on widths and offsets before you order $10K wheels. The real question you should ask yourself is if you like their designs, construction, and customer service which is the topic of this thread.

[db71]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Me a ADV.1 fanboy? I haven't used this gem this week, and thanks for making the point that you haven't made it past the first post. But thanks for playing...

Its not so fun to be called a a supporter or fanboy huh j/k

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

fan boys. i'll let u be. suck it easy. people start making fun of others grammar when they can't come back. fact is, i bet you i am more educated than you are or you will ever be.

but i bet you my dad could beat up your dad!

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by kmarei

but i bet you my dad could beat up your dad!

LOL

[AW335iCoupe]

Originally Posted by Raptor251

I would keep my money far, far away from ADV

+1 wasnt this the owners of 360 forged?

[NastyM3]

yikes.

[BMW Fanatic]

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

fan boys. i'll let u be. suck it easy. people start making fun of others grammar when they can't come back. fact is, i bet you i am more educated than you are or you will ever be.

[swamp2]

Getting to the party here a bit late but I do still want to chime in...

Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

This is a funny analogy to me. When Dell has a recall, I don't think they immediately point the finger at their supplier. It is bad business. It is unprofessional.

Most goods we buy these days have one or more suppliers not necessarily the company selling. If my DCT has mechanical issues, is BMW going to jump on the forum and blame Getrag? Probs not. And I'm not going to be calling their customer service; I'll be calling BMW's. I'll be complaining about BMW not doing enough R&D, testing, etc. It'll taint my view of BMW, who is again the ultimate assembler, seller, and owner of the product - just like you.

Exactly spot on. The passing the buck here is comically absurd. Beyond belief really. It is YOUR product ADV, own it, period.

Originally Posted by db71

I do not feel that you have to have an engineering degree to make wheels that are structurally safe and sound as most software can test this in FEA and obvious physical testing can prove if you got the job done.

Well anything is possible, but again, for a critical safety item in a car, a real engineer should be involved. Which leads us to

Originally Posted by Lon@HRE

Engineering: Our president has a B.S. from Harvey Mudd College in Engineering and an M.S from UCLA in Mechanical Engineering and came to us in 1999 after 8 years of working at Northrop Grumman’s B-2 Division doing structural analysis on aircraft. The fact that HRE has a mechanical engineer in such a lead position should make it clear we’re not just a “draw and cut” company and how proper engineering is viewed here. As for FEA we know it is way too easy to get a very “accurate INCORRECT answer”. If you have no idea what you’re doing, you’re going to end up with false confidence leading to problems. Junk in. Junk out.

+100. FEA is notorious for garbage in garbage out. I sell these sort of tools and am acutely aware of this. A big props to HRE for spelling out detailed information on their president/engineer. This information goes a very long way for me or anyone who cares about the details.

Originally Posted by db71

But do not call the guy head engineer if he does not have a engineering degree.

Originally Posted by ADV.1 Matt

Our engineer used to engineer for MHT for years and we just hired him on full time to do our wheels as our volume increased. And yes, he has an engineering degree.

Matt at ADV: I am not quite satisfied with this^ answer. Please tell us exactly where he studied, what he studied (i.e. what his degree is in) and what his related industry experience is. Again many confuse 3D modeling with engineering, they couldn't be more different. The former can help make things look really pretty but the latter is what makes them actually work and safe. Call me a skeptic but I have some doubt that you guys have an actual real M.E. with a degree from a real engineering school who is regularly looking at your designs for a structural integrity and safety point of view.

[mike33176]

Eugene, did you finally come to a settlement? What's the verdict? We're all dying to know what Jordan said and what was done.

[1cleanm6]

damn what a mess

[mikesis]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Matt at ADV: I am not quite satisfied with this^ answer. Please tell us exactly where he studied, what he studied (i.e. what his degree is in) and what his related industry experience is. Again many confuse 3D modeling with engineering, they couldn't be more different. The former can help make things look really pretty but the latter is what makes them actually work and safe. Call me a skeptic but I have some doubt that you guys have an actual real M.E. with a degree from a real engineering school who is regularly looking at your designs for a structural integrity and safety point of view.

+1

People underestimate the importance of engineering until a catastrophe happens. 2D/3D Modeling and CNC programing is not engineering. Technical drawings (2D/3D) are done by a technical/designer. Engineering is done by an engineer. Is like calling me a doctor because I know you should take Tylenol for a head ache.

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by swamp2

+100. FEA is notorious for garbage in garbage out. I sell these sort of tools and am acutely aware of this. A big props to HRE for spelling out detailed information on their president/engineer. This information goes a very long way for me or anyone who cares about the details.

+10000000

People think just because they buy a FE software package it makes them a structural engineer and/or dynamicist. The sad thing is these people treat FEA as a "black box" because they do not understand the theory behind the FEM nor its limitations. Also, with the latest trend to build multi-million DOF 3D FE models makes it even more dangerous because zero thought goes into understanding load path, etc. - this leads to GIGO and dangerous, poorly engineered designs. I also find it funny how people in this thread have stated you "test" the design using FEA which shows you how little they know

[mike33176]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Don't we have all the info we need?

Except what the final result was. Waiting to hear from Eugene

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

Originally Posted by mike33176

Eugene, did you finally come to a settlement? What's the verdict? We're all dying to know what Jordan said and what was done.

Originally Posted by mike33176

Except what the final result was. Waiting to hear from Eugene

When its all sad and done I'll let you guys know

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by h4nh

^

Just because ONE of adv.1 wheels cracked doesn't mean they ALL are bad wheels. I'm sure they've sold plenty and if there was a huge problem everyone would have heard about it by now.

Just because some ferrari's catch on fire doesn't mean its a POS. or if your e46 subframe rips out doesn't mean you'll never buy another bmw again

This is so true.

The 10.5 inch BBS forged magnesium wheels produced for the e46 M3 fitment crack on the inner lip constantly. Not a one off situation. I have 5 of them from two different sources. 4 have this problem. I won't hesitate to buy BBS wheels in the future.

That said, the majority of bling wheel marketers out there sell crap. Either they weigh 30 pounds a piece, or they fall apart, or both. But more upsetting than knowing this garbage is out there is that there are so many idiots willing to buy them.

[inandout]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

This is so true.

The 10.5 inch BBS forged magnesium wheels produced for the e46 M3 fitment crack on the inner lip constantly. Not a one off situation. I have 5 of them from two different sources. 4 have this problem. I won't hesitate to buy BBS wheels in the future.

Which model is this and what caused the crack? Did BBS replace them?