Is the S5 a threat to the new M3?

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by DirtBag335

That picture up top is not an S5, it looks nothing like what an S5 looks like. Not to mention all I have ever seen on the S5 0-62 is sbove 5 seconds.

Both pics of the S5, the silver one on top and the white one is an S5. Here's more. Like i've posted before, Motor Trend has gotten 4.5 and Road and Track did 4.7.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by footie

That's a S5 all right, the grille is right, the wing mirrors are right and so are the wheels which can only be got with a S5. The only thing I am unsure about is the sunroof, I have never seen an A/S5 with one.

You can get them with a sunroof, but the sunroof only titls it does not slide open at all. As you can see it is huge. I'm guessing you didn't get one.

[footie]

So far it is unknown as to whether the V10 will fit under the bonnet of the A5, factor in the turbos and piping and I reckon some major metal work would be required.

I reckon at best it will be a version of the current RS4 engine with turbos, small ones to eliminate lag but provide enough power and torque to distance itself from the rivals, because as you said price could be a concern in the same way as it will be for the RS6 compared to the M5.

[footie]

Originally Posted by gbb357

You can get them with a sunroof, but the sunroof only titls it does not slide open at all. As you can see it is huge. I'm guessing you didn't get one.

Why would you want one with Air-con.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

I assume your software takes the AWD into account? As long as you don't bog it on launch that extra traction is what makes it competitive with the M3 to 60.

The software is not "mine". It was written by a physicist though...

It takes into account AWD vs front vs rear drive. It takes into account the extra traction afforded at launch as well as the extra losses inertia of the AWD components. You can clearly see the improvements at low speed and the "hurt" caused at higher speeds.

[kham619]

Originally Posted by DirtBag335

That picture up top is not an S5, it looks nothing like what an S5 looks like. Not to mention all I have ever seen on the S5 0-62 is sbove 5 seconds.

That's an S5 foo, the mirrors are silver. sunroof is optional.

[DirtBag335]

The pics changed it didn't used to be an S5. But now it most definitely is.

[TC M3]

Not at all! Drove the car last week and didnt like it at all. Too heavy and soft. Wouldnt trade my 335 for it.

[Smoltz]

Originally Posted by kham619

That's an S5 foo, the mirrors are silver. sunroof is optional.

Sunroof is standard in the US, optional elsewhere.

-Adam

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by footie

Why would you want one with Air-con.

For light, view and natural ventilation. Let's you watch out for the "bear in the air",too, as we'd say in the US.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by DirtBag335

The pics changed it didn't used to be an S5. But now it most definitely is.

I didn't changed anything at all and it was always the S5 from the begining. What car did you exactly see?

[footie]

Originally Posted by TC M3

Not at all! Drove the car last week and didnt like it at all. Too heavy and soft. Wouldnt trade my 335 for it.

Fair point and likewise I wouldn't have been changing the S5 to the 335i finding it too common and ordinary. It took something a bit more special for that to happen.

[hks786]

Those white pics of the S5 above are beautiful! The M3 is clearly a better performing car, but regarding visual impact - it's the S5 that wins for me. It has such a low, wide stance with an aggressive body. The M3 looks really weak compared to it IMO.

[footie]

Originally Posted by hks786

Those white pics of the S5 above are beautiful! The M3 is clearly a better performing car, but regarding visual impact - it's the S5 that wins for me. It has such a low, wide stance with an aggressive body. The M3 looks really weak compared to it IMO.

Sorry mate, but when my S5 was parked beside the M3 it didn't look weak, far from it in fact, if anything the M3 looked the more aggressive with it nose treatment. Though taking in the overall look, I would agree that the Audi has the edge on the get the f*@k out of my way look when either come up behind you, this might be down to it width which makes it look even lower than it is.

I would also agree that the S5 has a much classier interior, though to be fair to the M3 it's the driving experience is more important than how the thing looks inside.

Lets just be diplomatic and say both the S5 and M3 are brilliant cars to own.

[hks786]

Yeah you're right about the S5's attitude. I'll try explain my M3 comments...

The thing is that the Msport has a nicer front bumper than the M3! It even has the same or very very near ground clearance. The M3 just doesnt look as bold as the previous M3 among other E46 models. I think the new M3 looks quite tacky with it's oversized powerdome and elephant ear mirrors. I wont even start on the rear...saying that I do like the skirts and wheels

Regarding the driving experience, the S5 is clearly not an M3 rival but judging by the S5, the RS5 should be a beast

[footie]

Well I suppose looks are in the eye of the beholder, to me both look great. I'm not as opinionated as some people and can appreciate both designs equally.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by footie

Well I suppose looks are in the eye of the beholder, to me both look great. I'm not as opinionated as some people and can appreciate both designs equally.

It might not change your judgement, but what colour was the M3 next to your S5? I think you have to see the S5 in a light colour to appreciate the great bodywork. I feel that black hides the design. The same goes for the M3. I think Jerez Black makes the new M3 look even more like a regular E92...

[footie]

Originally Posted by hks786

It might not change your judgement, but what colour was the M3 next to your S5? I think you have to see the S5 in a light colour to appreciate the great bodywork. I feel that black hides the design. The same goes for the M3. I think Jerez Black makes the new M3 look even more like a regular E92...

Yeah, I reckon you were right on this. The M3 was white which is possibly the best colour to see an M3 in but I did test drive the S5 before mine can in and it was red which is also a stunning colour to have and I still reckon the M3 looks the more aggressive while to S5 looks the classier.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by footie

Yeah, I reckon you were right on this. The M3 was white which is possibly the best colour to see an M3 in but I did test drive the S5 before mine can in and it was red which is also a stunning colour to have and I still reckon the M3 looks the more aggressive while to S5 looks the classier.

I agree that white is the best colour, and that says a lot coming from me! However, white exposes how fussy the rear of the car is....

[devo]

Originally Posted by DirtBag335

The pics changed it didn't used to be an S5. But now it most definitely is.

Smoke some more of that Cali weed.

[footie]

Originally Posted by hks786

I agree that white is the best colour, and that says a lot coming from me! However, white exposes how fussy the rear of the car is....

M3s have always had their quad pipes set more to the middle than other brands, including Audi who's S models have theirs at either side which keeps the rear neat. But as always which BMWs and M cars in particular they always put fraction ahead of form, so there is a reason why the rear looks the way it does.

But beats me what it is?

[devo]

With oil pushing $100 a barrell, Audi should pump another 50 ponies in that pig (albeit a beautiful pig) to justify the S5's thirst for fuel.