Will the performance of the e92 m3 increase by alot in the next models.

[CaliforniaBird123]

Hey guys,

I was wondering if anyone has any good guess if the next 3 years, if the e92 m3 will increase in performance or anything because I dont want to buy a 2010 and in 2011, they come out with a faster m3 unless it is an entire new model. Thanks

[mkoesel]

No one has any info AFAIK, but at the same time few people would bet on the M3 getting more power or any engine changes until the next generation turbocharged six cylinder F3x debuts (in about 5 years or so).

[duk]

nope

[pmeloche]

Very unlikely.

[!Xoible]

no

[endofanera7]

haha

[eNCore]

No, but the 2011 M3 will lose 100 HP and only have 320 HP! How cool is that!!!

[rjd598]

yea def wait for.....

[skierman64]

In the previous 3 generations of M3s there never was a significant power increase during the lifetime of that generation. It stands to beleive then that this generation will not see any significant engine changes until the M3 tranfers to a new body style in about 5.5 years.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by ///M-Turismo

No, but the 2011 M3 will lose 100 HP and only have 320 HP! How cool is that!!!

I would take that if the car also loses 700 pounds. All IMOHO.

[dcstep]

2012.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

No one has any info AFAIK, but at the same time few people would bet on the M3 getting more power or any engine changes until the next generation turbocharged six cylinder F3x debuts (in about 5 years or so).

Agreed.


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south

[footie]

I think the next M5/6 will give a definite pointer to what power one can expect from the next M3, if it's dramatically quicker and more powerful than the out going model then expect the same from the next M3.

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by footie

I think the next M5/6 will give a definite pointer to what power one can expect from the next M3, if it's dramatically quicker and more powerful than the out going model then expect the same from the next M3.

Excellent point footie.

My sources tell me the new M5 & M6 will have in the neighborhood of 555HP/550 ft/lbs. of torque. (4.4 liter twin-turbo V8)

This will be the first full-size forced induction BMW's that will be able to challenge the mega-hp Mercedes sedans and coupes.

The early buzz within the company, is that the new M3 should come in about ~100HP/100 ft/lbs trq less than those numbers. (so they are not competing head-to-head with one another) So 450HP/450TRQ should be a close estimate in ragards to the power output goals the M division would be looking to achieve.

Performance 'slotting' is very important to the suits in the front office. This slotting approach will keep the two levels apart. That will make it much easier for dealers to sell the more expensive 5 & 6 series M cars.

Their is still great debate on whether or not to design and build a new V6 block at the Landshut foundry. (specifically for the next gen M3) The pull to keep the heritage of the BMW inline-six intact is very strong. Some of the younger engineers within the M division, are more concerned with building a more practical six cylinder engine configuration. (fitment and weight distribution are the two key details) Similar to what Nissan did with their racing-derived VR series engine for the twin-turbo GTR.

It will be interesting to see who 'wins' this debate over the next 24-36 months...

[footie]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Excellent point footie.

My sources tell me the new M5 & M6 will have in the neighborhood of 555HP/550 ft/lbs. of torque. (4.4 liter twin-turbo V8)

This will be the first full-size forced induction BMW's that will be able to challenge the mega-hp Mercedes sedans and coupes.

I am wondering whether it will stop with 550hp or continue higher, I suppose that will all depend on whether it gets KERS or not. Another thing, I'm not so sure Mercedes are the ones to watch if the rumours are true about Audi changing it's V10 engine to a V8, probably the four rings will be the one putting up the stiffiest competition.

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

The early buzz within the company, is that the new M3 should come in about ~100HP/100 ft/lbs trq less than those numbers. (so they are not competing head-to-head with one another) So 450HP/450TRQ should be a close estimate in ragards to the power output goals the M division would be looking to achieve.

Performance 'slotting' is very important to the suits in the front office. This slotting approach will keep the two levels apart. That will make it much easier for dealers to sell the more expensive 5 & 6 series M cars.

I reckon those figures for the M3 will be about right, 450hp would be the sort of figure expected from a V6tt of this caliber.

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

Their is still great debate on whether or not to design and build a new V6 block at the Landshut foundry. (specifically for the next gen M3) The pull to keep the heritage of the BMW inline-six intact is very strong. Some of the younger engineers within the M division, are more concerned with building a more practical six cylinder engine configuration. (fitment and weight distribution are the two key details) Similar to what Nissan did with their racing-derived VR series engine for the twin-turbo GTR.

It will be interesting to see who 'wins' this debate over the next 24-36 months...

If they're thinking straight they will leave heritage in the past and develop the engine best suited to the job, which is a V6. After all they already made the break with the latest M3 when they choice a V8 in place of the traditional straight 6, why go back just for the stake of it.

[dcstep]

For the M3, I vote for a V6, designed from the ground up for FI. Ditch the heavy, long straight-six and get something that can be set back in the chassis for a true midengine design.

Dave

[MTROIS]

To the OP... there will always be something faster, better, lighter, etc... but the current model is already over the top for daily driving that I hope that you are a track junkie at least... in which case I am not sure if I would go with the M car anymore. Probably something more dedicated to that use.

Just get in the current model and you will have a big bright smile for at least 3-5 years. No need to wait, trust me.

[M2381]

I think theres probably going to be a little more horsepower...somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 and A LOT more torque since its a FI V6. I'm also expecting the new M3 to shed some weight too