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12-15-2012, 08:46 PM | #89 | |
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But I think we are missing the point here that the victims were children, not adults wearing bullet proof vests..so this argument of handguns vs rifle seems moot. If anything I believe hand guns are more deadly because they are easy to conceal |
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12-15-2012, 08:51 PM | #90 | |
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We're not "anti-gun". But I don't expect you to know that. You're American...so I don't expect you to know much about anything outside of America, after all, that's the whole world isn't it - or everything that matters? I think all factors need to be considered as well, not as easy as just banning guns - for the record, guns are certainly not banned here. But there is an interesting correlation between our system and the number of shootings at a school, and the American system and their number of shootings at a school. On the other hand, America has a lot more people, and thus a higher percentage of the "crazies"...which also needs to be considered. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy - its terrible, its senseless, and action needs to be taken to start to prevent these type of incidents. |
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12-15-2012, 08:57 PM | #91 | |
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You foreigners do not understand the importance of gun rights in this country it was the basis of our ability to fight for our freedom in the revolutionary war, and it is a tradition and a right that we cherish to this day, the right to arm and protect ourselves, we should't have to give this up, because of the wackos who seek harm.
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12-15-2012, 09:08 PM | #94 | |
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When talking about damage a rifle round always wins. But when talking about danger, your right about the pistol.
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12-15-2012, 09:20 PM | #95 |
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The incident occurred about 25 miles from where I work. Newtown is one of the more affluent towns in the state. Families move there to settle down and put their kids in the excellent school system. Things like this don't usually occur there.
The information is still sketchy coming in, but I heard the killer tried to purchase a gun about one week earlier but he ran into some hurdles. So that means this whole thing was premeditated for quite some time. He wasn't sick. He was the devil in disguise. He was 100% pure evil. I hope he rots in hell, where he belongs. By the way, some of you we're talking about injuries. The state examiner says each victim received more than one bullet to the body. He also said they probably didn't suffer very long. I think that paints a picture right there. By the way, there were only three people hospitalized. That jerk hit his mark every time. I heard his mom(the one he killed) had often taken him along to target practice, so he was not new to firearms. Last edited by JoeyO; 12-15-2012 at 09:27 PM.. |
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As a clear counter example, 10 children in the Dunblane massacre (extremely similar incident in the UK) were shot by a pistol and wounded but not killed. But maybe they weren't exactly 10 yards away or less. |
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12-15-2012, 09:34 PM | #97 | |
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that funding shouldn't come from schools, it should come from somewhere else..... |
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12-15-2012, 09:37 PM | #98 | |
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Such a tragedy, innocent children killed. Countless more traumatized. Teachers lost their lives. All around Christmas time. I hope all those involved or affected will eventually recover in some way and manage to move past all this. |
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12-15-2012, 09:38 PM | #99 |
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Sorry, but blaming "the devil" or "evil" for this is a cheap cop out. He was a person. A very disturbed person that decided to do this terrible thing. But to say that there was some kind of metaphysical force that made him different from other people is simply unrealistic. Many many people have done very evil things in past (e.g., genocide all across the world). Under the right circumstances ordinary people can do evil things too. The capacity to do "evil" acts is a part of human nature. Some people with mental problems may be more prone to do them, but don't delude yourself, that your neighbor isn't capable of doing something evil.
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12-15-2012, 09:39 PM | #100 | |
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If we can spend billions on our miltary to protect us abroad..we can spend any amount to protect our children in their schools. |
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12-15-2012, 09:40 PM | #101 | |
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without security at the school he was basically able to walk up to anyone in the school and dispose of them...... |
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12-15-2012, 09:43 PM | #102 | |
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here in the united states, we spend money to protect our money at banks - money that can be replaced. ...but we can't spend money to protect our children from being murdered in cold blood !??! |
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12-15-2012, 10:52 PM | #103 |
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Prayers go out to all the victims' families. Really do not know what kind of sick, twisted individual does this. Unlike most people I do not see a clear solution. I think a full ban of guns leaves all non-criminals at risk. A lot of people want to ban "scary guns". However, the problem lies with the people who posses the guns. We need a better system for selling guns. In addition the argument that crazy people will find a way to kill without guns has its flaws as well. A knife (or a similar weapon) can kill a person, but a gun can kill multiple people very fast. I'm not trying to come off pro or anti gun so hopefully I don't upset anyone...
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12-15-2012, 11:43 PM | #104 | |
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For many, their kids are the most important thing in their life. More important than their spouse and even their own lives. They do everything in their power to make sure their kids don't get hurt. To make sure they are treated fairly. They make sure they have the best of everything. The most trendy clothes, the latest electronics, the best games and smartphones by age 10. They fight their battles, blame others for their disobedience and chastise anyone who has a cross thing to say about their child. Then the child goes off to college and find life to be more difficult with out their parents protection and assistance. They find out that life isn't fair and typically other students and professors teach them this lesson. Then they get a job and find out just how unfair life can be..... Some adjust, some turn to drugs, some turn to alcohol. Some get depressed and are inconsolable. Some of those begin wishing bad on those around them while others wish for a position of power over those, who in their mind, have created the unfair situation they are in. After all their parents always told them it was someone else's fault. And as said before, some get to a point where they want to see the world burn, just before they exit it. I'm not saying our children aren't valuable and worth of protection. They most certainly are our future and deserve protection. But what some many parents do in the name of protection is actually a disservice. People from my generation and earlier knew from an early age that life wasn't fair. Children of today find this out at a much later age when their lives are so much more complicated. This late realization destroys their expectations and it seems that some can't handle that. Most that can't handle it only fire one shot to end it. For a small percentage of others, they don't want to go alone.
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and in some places, people will kill you for trying to steal from them... |
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should forks be banned to because they aid in making people obese?
if someone is set on killing people for whatever reason they will find a way to do it. Cavemen used to kill huge animals with sharpened sticks. What difference would a mental health check do? ok maybe John Doe cant buy the gun but Jane can buy it for him. Or John can steal it from someone he knows or break into a house he knows has guns. Also what would an armed school security guard do? by the time the guard took his gun out anyone that already has their gun out, cocked, and ready will pick him off in a second. The other suggestion is armed teachers... have you seen elementary school teachers? You think Little Mrs. Whatever is going to pull a glock out from under her desk and start accurately shooting at a gunman who has nothing to lose? This also puts a scared teacher who most likely cant handle a gun not having a shootout in a classroom still full of kids. Implementing armed teachers also now means that anyone planning on doing something like this now knows that they have to take out the teacher first. Banning guns would be completely useless as well as a constitutional violation. If guns were all of a sudden banned, there still hundreds of thousands of guns out there anyway. A gun can also be made fairly easily by any good machinist. Ive seen machinists build their own 50 cal snipper riffles. |
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I know it's a trying time and emotions are still running high, so i can see how you guys could misconstrue my comments.
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