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Just amazing how simple rumors or hearsay become facts after a few posts.
Not that I could afford one of these tomorrow anyway, but I am impatiently waiting for some official BMW info on this topic.
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As many have said, every exotic car company in the world seems to find a way to participate in the US market, with their highest performance products.
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This thing is gonna be a beast!!!
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You should probably ask yourself how Ferrari, Lambo, and Porsche manage to continually kick up their power outputs and comply with US laws. While you're at it, you should probably become informed about how tough EU emissions laws are too.
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I can confirm the U.S. specification E9x M3's emissions are set from the factory 50% stricter than EU versions. The U.S. versions will trigger a SES light for increased emissions twice as fast as the EU counterpart.
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The tires stopped it from coming to the US?... you know we can buy pilot sport cups on tirerack right? You know they are road legal right???? As for the emissions... LOL... its exactly the same engine with a different cams and airbox... it literally makes absolutely no difference from an emissions standpoint. A csl and normal m3 produce exactly the same emissions in exactly the same amounts. The placement of headers in the e46 m3 was implements solely to reduce cold start emissions by heating the cats up faster... once the car has been driven for more then 3 minutes this argument goes out the window... and its ~5hp btw the other 5 is lost due to DIN vs. SAE correction factors. ALSO PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IN THE LAW IT STATES BMW CAN'T PAINT MY CAR A SPECIFIC CUSTOM COLOR!!!!!!! (this is really ROFL... I have no idea how you can believe this is in anyway rationale) I swear some of the garbage posted on these forums is unbelievable.
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They're just throwing a bone out there to say, "see we can do it, just like Porsche." However, they are showing no signs of actually wanting to compete in the real high-performance consumer market. EDIT: I was typing while Southlight was posting. He said it more directly than I did, but I couldn't agree with him more. It is ridiculous to try to claim it's because US laws pertaining to auto standards are too restrictive.
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Im not trying to justify $120,000 3 series but there is no reason BMW couldn't build a $75k-85k CSL m3, and it wouldn't sell here. BTW I guess its obvious that racket bmw was pushing 2 years ago about, "A csl (or gt4 as it turns out) version wouldn't be a significant improvement on the normal e9x m3"... basically they added 30hp, bolted on coils & big brakes and replaced the front seats/removed the rears and the chassis is 15+ sec faster around the ring.
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I agree. BMW is only trying to make a statement here that they can make a car that can compete directly with GT3 with the M3 GT4.
However, if BMW was truly interested in selling this car to enthusiasts, they would bring it to North America. The whole emissions excuse is lame and so played out. If Porsche could bring GT3, GT3 RS, Ferrari can bring Scuderia, Audi can bring R8 V10, so can BMW bring the M3 V8 GT4 to North America.
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Just saw this: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/bmw+m+award+valencia
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I am sorry, but many of you seemed very misinformed over why the e46 CSL did not come to the States. It was just the seats AND carbon fiber roof. That's all, nothing else. At the time they did not pass vehicle crash test ratings with the DOT. BMW did not feel that it was worth the money to spend in crashing the cars to certify them as well as redesign the front seats to meet compliance. With those issues BMW marketing still had the thoughts of the awful selling e36 lightweight and they did not want another repeat.
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Oh and the CF roof wouldn't pass crash tests huh? I guess the spot welded on 1/16" steel was just that much stronger the CF HUH? Glad BMW resolved this issue with exactly the same roof put on exactly the same way with the m6 and e92 m3. Again quit posting this rubbish. The csl e46 m3 didn't come the US because the marketing/sales department at BMW didn't think they would sell here because the last lightweight version of the m3... the e36 m3 LTW rotted on dealer showrooms. But times are different from 1995 now... track days are way more popular and people are much more accepting of paying big bucks for LTW track versions of cars.
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Why would you speculate on the price of an m3 based on a z4 instead of the price an m3 is currently offered at? That doesn't make any sense. Base m3 + $25-30 grand. The car would be a monster and would sell.
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His post was somewhat ambiguous. In one sentence he said they didn't pass the US crash test, and then in the next sentence he said, they chose not to test it on US specs. It is the latter which is true, and that was a simple corporate choice. BMW simply chose not to bother with making the car US spec, period, full-stop. History is simply repeating itself.
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