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      08-11-2014, 02:29 PM   #23
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I've been doing this seatbelt-lock/cam method for over 2 years and about 55 track days and I am locked in so tight that I doubt I'll submarine in a front end collision. The lap and the shoulder sections of the belt really digs in and holds me in place.

I've driven 2 cars with full race seat & 6-point harness and this stock seatbelt method holds you in just as tight.
You have got to be kidding. I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous claim. The only way this would be true is if you were in a race seat that was too large for you. It is not physically possible for the OEM seat to hold you as tightly as properly fitting race seat with tall side bolsters. We should let all of the race teams know about this. They should switch to OEM M3 seats!

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No, the driver does NOT move no matter how sideways the car gets. This method allows me to left-foot brake, left-foot trail brake, etc, simply because I don't need to brace myself with the left leg.
I'm glad it works for you. This has not been my experience. Consider yourself lucky; stock seats are far more practical that race seats.

Either way... Judging by your lap times; your seats are not holding you back!
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      08-11-2014, 02:34 PM   #24
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Okay, that's TMI. So let me trade one awful visual for another: Have you tried sticky latex pants?
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You have got to be kidding. I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous claim. The only way this would be true is if you were in a race seat that was too large for you. It is not physically possible for the OEM seat to hold you as tightly as properly fitting race seat with tall side bolsters. We should let all of the race teams know about this. They should switch to OEM M3 seats!



I'm glad it works for you. This has not been my experience. Stock seats are far more practical that race seats.
Dude, I've tried both, whereas you have not tried & seen for yourself the stock seatbelt-lock/cam method.

You're in San Diego, ever come up to any SoCal tracks? I'll meet and show you at a track. Come up with Kaiv, Roland, etc - I see them all the time at tracks.

Race seats & 6-point harness looks better and has the advantage of (once adjusted and setup) quick click-and-ready-to-go advantage, whereas with stock seat, sometimes you gotta do it a few times to get it just right (without it being way too tight or too loose & letting the cam unlock). Ultimately, I'm sure race seats are more safe, but I'm not out there w-2-w racing.
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Dude, I've tried both, whereas you have not tried & seen for yourself the stock seatbelt-lock/cam method.

You're in San Diego, ever come up to any SoCal tracks? I'll meet and show you at a track.

Race seats & 6-point harness looks better and has the advantage of (once adjusted and setup) quick click-and-ready-to-go advantage, whereas with stock seat, sometimes you gotta do it a few times to get it just right (without it being way too tight or too loose & letting the cam unlock).
I have tried a Schroth Quick Fit Pro that holds you in better than a stock 3-point. Unless I'm missing something; I'm not sure how a stock 3 point could hold you in better than a 4-point. And even further; a 3 point better than a 6 point in a race seat. I don't need to try it verify that. Harnesses are also fixed just like the 3-point trick you are using. You can use the same trick to slide the race seat back (or OEM seat with 4 point quick fit pro), adjust your straps, and slide forward to get them extra snug.

I'm not trying to be adversarial, and I think the cam-lock trick is great; but I think your claims are ridiculous.

I go to some of the Speed District events (was at Streets of Willow last Friday), and hit Chuckwalla a couple times this year (Starcar Sports).
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I have tried a Schroth Quick Fit Pro that holds you in better than a stock 3-point. Unless I'm missing something; I'm not sure how a stock 3 point could hold you in better than a 4-point. And even further; a 3 point better than a 6 point in a race seat. I don't need to try it verify that. Harnesses are also fixed just like the 3-point trick you are using. You can use the same trick to slide the race seat back, adjust your straps, and slide forward to get them extra snug.

I'm not trying to be adversarial, and I think the cam-lock trick is great; but I think your claims are ridiculous.

I go to some of the Speed District events (was at Streets of Willow last Friday), and hit Chuckwalla a couple times this year (Starcar Sports).
What exactly do you think my claim is?

See you at CVR/Starcar sports!
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What exactly do you think my claim is?

See you at CVR/Starcar sports!
That a 3 point in a stock seat will hold you in as well as a 4 point on a stock seat and/or a 6 point on a race seat....

I will look forward to seeing you at a future event. As I stated above; I'm glad it works for you and your lap times are very impressive so I know that you are doing just fine as is
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That a 3 point in a stock seat will hold you in as well as a 4 point on a stock seat and/or a 6 point on a race seat....

I will look forward to seeing you at a future event. As I stated above; I'm glad it works for you and your lap times are very impressive so I know that you are doing just fine as is
I absolutely stand by that claim.

See you at a track soon! (or, when the weather cools down)
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do they have like padding you can get to narrow the seat a little?

don't skip leg day bro.
Yes I could add padding. Probably by a Recaro pro seat at some point.
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obligatory TWERK video is in order then.
I will take your advice on the latex pants.

I will not be posting a twerk video... but If I did, it would be done to the music of Sir Mix A Lot's "Baby got Back".
use vine its only 6 secs per clip.

(on handstand against a wall)

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What exactly do you think my claim is?

See you at CVR/Starcar sports!
That a 3 point in a stock seat will hold you in as well as a 4 point on a stock seat and/or a 6 point on a race seat....

I will look forward to seeing you at a future event. As I stated above; I'm glad it works for you and your lap times are very impressive so I know that you are doing just fine as is
it does a pretty good job in fact i can now scoot back a little so that my helmet has more clearnace and because my left foot doesnt need to be firm on the dead pedal (thighs dont need to bow out neither).

try it when you get home in the garage.

but me and oc3 are of the korean type. maybe its just for us folk
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I tried locking the seatbelt for awhile until it came unlocked a couple of times in a turn. On top of seeing a couple of exploded cg locks...I just went with the Mini QFs before the actual E9X version came out.

The quick fits will keep you in the seat, you just have to adjustment properly. First, you need to get the tail strap length correct. Then you have to get the lap belt low and tight before pulling on the shoulder straps. That's what locks your hips in place.

I see too many people with improperly adjusted quick fits AND then they don't even strap in right.
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I tried locking the seatbelt for awhile until it came unlocked a couple of times in a turn. On top of seeing a couple of exploded cg locks...I just went with the Mini QFs before the actual E9X version came out.

The quick fits will keep you in the seat, you just have to adjustment properly. First, you need to get the tail strap length correct. Then you have to get the lap belt low and tight before pulling on the shoulder straps. That's what locks your hips in place.

I see too many people with improperly adjusted quick fits AND then they don't even strap in right.
thats why my lap tucks under my blob of a belly LOL

yeah its come undone for me once so now i make sure in crushing my organs before i move my chair back up.
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thats why my lap tucks under my blob of a belly LOL

yeah its come undone for me once so now i make sure in crushing my organs before i move my chair back up.
Sounds fun.
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Sounds fun.
nothing is more fun than staring at the fold of you stomach and realizing "damn, im a fat ass" while you are taking the banking at high speeds
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nothing is more fun than staring at the fold of you stomach and realizing "damn, im a fat ass" while you are taking the banking at high speeds
They make fat Asians?
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Yes; even with the Quick Fit Pros. I was hoping the harnesses would be the ticket.... they helped but not a lot. It may be due to the fact that I'm not a 5'8" asian dude... I'm more of a 5'11" white guy with a rather sizable booty. Not full ghetto booty with cottage cheese; just more of a larger than average booty.
i like cottage cheese
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i drove 2 track days w/ a oem seat and 3pt and have never felt so uneasy and unsafe. if you tracking a regular basis i have no idea why you would want to keep the oem seat and belts...just my 2cents
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The one question I have in my mind from this thread is...

Can white males really have "booty"?
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The one question I have in my mind from this thread is...

Can white males really have "booty"?
yes they can. they invented the pot/beer belly.

only white women cant.
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The one question I have in my mind from this thread is...

Can white males really have "booty"?
yes they can. they invented the pot/beer belly.

only white women cant.
I'm now horrified.
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i drove 2 track days w/ a oem seat and 3pt and have never felt so uneasy and unsafe. if you tracking a regular basis i have no idea why you would want to keep the oem seat and belts...just my 2cents
I've driven the 'ring for three days w/a 3 pt and OEM seat (2-different times). First time I also drove the Salzburgring, the A-1 ring (in the rain), and the new 'ring track. No issues. Well, the Germans did make 'meowing' noises at us for wearing helmets on the 'ring... Each person has their own comfort level I guess.

I've also had the Schroth 4-pt, a 5pt, and a 6pt harness in different vehicles over the 2 decades of turning $$$ into noise.

The trick shown works great for HPDE at any level. To feel the most safe I'd prefer the 6-pt w/Hans in my old fully caged race car. I don't feel 'unsafe' in the stock seat and seatbelt.

I feel most uneasy and unsafe on the commute to/from the track b/c 95% of the drivers don't know how to drive. It seems to be fewer than that don't know how to drive on the track and we're all going the same direction.

I've had more 'oh shit I'm gonna die' moments due to other drivers on the street than I have while driving on the track. This includes when I've been airborne (twice) with a significant yaw angle on track (BW both times!). The times I've been airborne w/o a significant yaw angle are more fun (the 'ring).

Nice video, OP!
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