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I not saying it's ever going to replace an RS4 or M3 for that matter but as an alternative without costing the earth it gets mighty close and gives those who prefer a sleeper and option previously only available with the 335i. As for fun, well as you said that is subjective but I will concede the S4 can't be as entertaining to throw about as either an Impreza or EVO, but then again Audi as a company are far too grown up for such things. |
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10-06-2009, 05:22 AM | #24 |
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Reading what you said I must conclude that you the driver is the biggest difference here. When you owned the 335i all M3 were easy pickings, up to 6~7 car lengths by all accounts but now that you own an M3 it's the opposite being truth, this has to be all or mostly down to your skill as a driver. |
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10-06-2009, 05:37 AM | #25 |
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Here's a V2 335i vs M3 6 speed. To me at least this seems to perform similarly to the MTM S4, is that how you see it? [u2b]kZJd_Ewq5cg&feature=related[/u2b] What sort of figures HP and Torque does this package give? |
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I'm curious as to why it seems like you're getting so defensive? No one said the S4 is comparable to the M3 overall. The M3 wins in everything stock for stock. The only time where a S4 might out shine a stock m3 or even a lightly modded M3 is in the 1/4 and that's all I see happening. But seriously, who gets an M3 to run it in the 1/4?
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What does the above comment have anything to do with my initial post? If you watch the video, the Powechip tune C63 does take that M3 in one of the runs. With that being said everyone in their right mine knows the superiority of the DCT trans over the 7G. However there is a difference between a car with a tune, compared to a car with a tune, pulley, AND exhaust work.
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Also how many legitimate 500hp cars has Drew beaten you've seen all his vids right? Well me and Drew are very close it practically comes down to how well I can shift when running him. |
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The transmission is by far the difference maker. The ability to change gears with essentially no loss in power to the wheels is key. Still, how come then the only scenario where a M3 DCT Coupe (Forget a 6MT) wins Vs a C63 is when it is more modified? Compare it to an E90 or 6MT and the result will be even more noticeable. Both in stock form and equally modified the M3 loses. Both cars have their elements C63 (highway) M3(circuit track) however when each crosses over they will always finish in 2nd place respectively.
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If you listen to the V2 335 in that video, it clearly has an aftermarket exhaust, and I wouldn't be surprised if it had other mods as well.
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My bad. The videos are 50 KM/H to 260 km/h. 50 km/h = 31 mph. Anybody with an M3 go out on the road & put your car into 2nd gear and roll at 30mph. Bam, nothing happens when you gas it. Rather go into 1st gear at 31mph. Whoever, those M3 drivers are, they need to learn how not to get suckered into a 30mph 2nd gear roll-on with forced indiction cars. If I were in the 335, I'd be brake-torque-ing it at 30mph as well. Hell, I would dream about running M3's in a roll-race like that were I can brake torque & get slingshot start. |
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Here are 2 more videos to illustrate my point. Both runs are 50km/h to 260km/h & it says so in the banner at the start. A modded 335 against a Porsche 997 GT3-RS & the same 335 against a stock M3. 2nd gear roll-on. The Porsche with a significant power advantage & a big weight advantage gets a beating. It loses so much ground at the start, that it can't even come back on the top end. And this is a car that does a true top speed well in excess of 300km/h straight out the factory. In fact the M3 looks like it does better on the top end than the Porsche, but that could just be circumstances on those races. The point these videos prove is that rolling with highly tuned NA cars out of powerband is a pointless exercise & doesn't prove anything. Races should be from a dig, or a roll in 1st gear. One has to give both cars a fair chance to get into the respective powerbands & 1st gear rolling tends to even out gearing & powerband differences between most vehicles. |
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i find these comparison pretty pointless. doesn't matter if the 355i or s4 has 500-600hp. most would still choose the m3. two totally different car.
same go for car like sti, evo, supra, you can tune those thing to make mad power and smoke m3 any day. but still it is no m3. same go for whatever you do the m3, it will never be a gt3 even if it can hang with one. one would choose the gt3 over the m3 any day. I'm just trying to point out the pointlessness of these comparisons |
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Any rolling start is very dependent on both drivers hitting the hammer at the same time, a split fraction sooner with one than the other and the outcome is dealt there and then if the cars are pretty evenly matched. This JB3, please enlighten me with the breakdown as to what's been done to this car from the video and exactly how much power you think it's making. Also based on what I did happen to see, I reckon the 335i got the jump on both other cars, if that is the case then I reckon it's only slightly quicker than the MTM S4. P.S. The sad and sorry thing about this latest GTBoard event is it's becoming an event for tuned cars. Previously it was mostly stock so gave a better indicator as to how each model of car performed against it's rivals, but now it's a guessing games as to what mods have been done and how much have been declared. |
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