2009 M3

devo · 02-13-2008, 02:35 PM

When will the 2009 M3's arrive in the states? I realize that the next model year 3 series arrives late Sept., but what are the best guesses as to if the M will follow suit?

lucid · 02-13-2008, 02:37 PM

Somebody dug out production/model data for the E46 M3 in another thread. That was apparently also introduced in Feb in the US (despite a Fall release in Europe), and the next model year cars were produced in the September of the same year. I would guess that you would be able to order a 2009 M3 in August, and get it late September. If they can't deliver my car in April, I will wait until September as I will be gone for a couple of months over the summer. I wonder how much of a price hike the 2009s will experience?

devo · 02-13-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Somebody dug out production/model data for the E46 M3 in another thread. That was apparently also introduced in Feb in the US, and the next model year cars were produced in the September of the same year. I would guess that you would be able to order a 2009 M3 in August, and get it late September. If they can't deliver my car in April, I will wait until September as I will be gone for a couple of months over the summer.

No kidding, that's pretty lame, imo. I know that you mentioned it before but I wasn't certain if you were speculating or not. Thanks.

I don't blame you for waiting if that happens. Will you go with M-DCT if that occurs?

lucid · 02-13-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by devo

No kidding, that's pretty lame, imo. I know that you mentioned it before but I wasn't certain if you were speculating or not. Thanks.

I am referring to someone else's post, and I have not checked the accuracy of the E46 production info. He seemed to know what he was talking about though.

devo · 02-13-2008, 02:44 PM

I can't remember, was there a price hike from 2001-2002? I don't think that there was.

Technic · 02-13-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Somebody dug out production/model data for the E46 M3 in another thread. That was apparently also introduced in Feb in the US (despite a Fall release in Europe), and the next model year cars were produced in the September of the same year. I would guess that you would be able to order a 2009 M3 in August, and get it late September. If they can't deliver my car in April, I will wait until September as I will be gone for a couple of months over the summer. I wonder how much of a price hike the 2009s will experience?

That has been mostly correct for all BMW models production with the exception of those models that are introduced early within the current calendar year but with the MY of the next (i.e. the E90 was a MY2006 although it was introduced early 2005, and early means way before September 2005). That was a very long MY for the E90...

lucid · 02-13-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by devo

I can't remember, was there a price hike from 2001-2002? I don't think that there was.

What I found on-line for the M3 Coupe MSRP:

2001: $45,400
2002: $45,900

I would expect a 1%-2% increase unless inflation all of a sudden goes away.

devo · 02-13-2008, 03:02 PM

Lucid, if it's a 2009, will you go clutchless?

GregW / Oregon · 02-13-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by devo

Lucid, if it's a 2009, will you go clutchless?

You mean clutch pedal-less?

devo · 02-13-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

You mean clutch pedal-less?

Yes! That is what I meant, I didn't type the "pedal" part.

RandyB · 02-13-2008, 03:52 PM

I just put down a deposit for an '09 today. I'm one of their early allocations for the MY09 so hopefully that means a fall delivery if they are able to fill all of their '08 customer orders during MY08.

lucid · 02-13-2008, 03:53 PM

For a 2009, I will go both pedal-less and clutch-less and even dual clutch-less and opt for the new M-CVT with 20 driving modes that have nothing to do with gearing or shifting. I hear the car will simply drive itself--even on a track including the Ring!

Actually, I don't know. It would depend on if I can drive a DCT car by then. I really do not want to order DCT without driving it. If Swamp starts posting suicidal posts in a couple of months, then we'll all know not to order it for sure!

lucid · 02-13-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyB

I just put down a deposit for an '09 today. I'm one of their early allocations for the MY09 so hopefully that means a fall delivery if they are able to fill all of their '08 customer orders during MY08.

Interesting. Does your vehicle inquiry report say 2009 M3 on it?

RandyB · 02-13-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Interesting. Does your vehicle inquiry report say 2009 M3 on it?

I have no VIR yet, just a spot in line. Nothing spec'ed thus far. I drove a 335i for the first time while I was there and was impressed. Very nice car.

lucid · 02-13-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyB

I have no such report yet, just a spot in line. Nothing spec'ed thus far.

OK. I'd be surprised if they could put an actual order into the system yet for a 2009.

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Originally Posted by RandyB

I drove a 335i for the first time while I was there and was impressed. Very nice car.

I did this as well to test the 6MT tranmission. I am pretty sure the gearboxes are essentially the same. Agreed that it is a very nice ride.

RandyB · 02-13-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

OK. I'd be surprised if they could put an actual order into the system yet for a 2009.

Yeah, he said it might be a few months before we could do anything. I have just about decided on everything. It will be a 6MT for sure.

rvacha · 02-13-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

I wonder how much of a price hike the 2009s will experience?

At the rate the dollar is falling probably a lot

Big Windy · 03-17-2008, 03:11 AM

its been a while on this topic, but wondered what your thoughts would be on a possible decrease in MSRP. i know that many are saying that the price will go up because of inflation, precedence, and a poor economy, but i'm starting to think it might be smarter to lower the MSRP. if BMW is planning to sell 100k units, i think it might be getting a wake up call that it might have priced the M3 wrong given current conditions...yeah, its a lot of speculation, but what do you think?

par4bmw · 03-17-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by redmtclimber

its been a while on this topic, but wondered what your thoughts would be on a possible decrease in MSRP. i know that many are saying that the price will go up because of inflation, precedence, and a poor economy, but i'm starting to think it might be smarter to lower the MSRP. if BMW is planning to sell 100k units, i think it might be getting a wake up call that it might have priced the M3 wrong given current conditions...yeah, its a lot of speculation, but what do you think?

Don't count on it. Below is a thread with a 2009 invoice showing an increase. Said to be $1500.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126659

lucid · 03-17-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by redmtclimber

its been a while on this topic, but wondered what your thoughts would be on a possible decrease in MSRP. i know that many are saying that the price will go up because of inflation, precedence, and a poor economy, but i'm starting to think it might be smarter to lower the MSRP. if BMW is planning to sell 100k units, i think it might be getting a wake up call that it might have priced the M3 wrong given current conditions...yeah, its a lot of speculation, but what do you think?

The 100000 number was just a projection back a year ago. It's not carved in stone. There is nothing saying that BMW has to sell 100000 M3s for that product to be profitable. As I mentioned before, they'd most likely cut down on production before considering giving incentives. Lowering MSRP is the LAST thing they will do. They'd much rather give incentives since those are reversible.

Big Windy · 03-17-2008, 05:05 PM

okay, so my dream is over...didn't know that the 100k was just a protection, thought it was a goal for BMW. thanks, good info!

Jimmyz · 03-17-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

What I found on-line for the M3 Coupe MSRP:

2001: $45,400
2002: $45,900

I would expect a 1%-2% increase unless inflation all of a sudden goes away.

If only the new M3 cost somewhat close to that, lol.

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lucid Major General 374 Rep 8,033 Posts Drives: E30 M3; Expedition Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Somebody dug out production/model data for the E46 M3 in another thread. That was apparently also introduced in Feb in the US (despite a Fall release in Europe), and the next model year cars were produced in the September of the same year. I would guess that you would be able to order a 2009 M3 in August, and get it late September. If they can't deliver my car in April, I will wait until September as I will be gone for a couple of months over the summer. I wonder how much of a price hike the 2009s will experience?
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lucid Major General 374 Rep 8,033 Posts Drives: E30 M3; Expedition Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	For a 2009, I will go both pedal-less and clutch-less and even dual clutch-less and opt for the new M-CVT with 20 driving modes that have nothing to do with gearing or shifting. I hear the car will simply drive itself--even on a track including the Ring! Actually, I don't know. It would depend on if I can drive a DCT car by then. I really do not want to order DCT without driving it. If Swamp starts posting suicidal posts in a couple of months, then we'll all know not to order it for sure!
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Big Windy Major General 152 Rep 5,124 Posts Drives: None Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	okay, so my dream is over...didn't know that the 100k was just a protection, thought it was a goal for BMW. thanks, good info!
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