American Racing Longtube Header Results

M33too · 04-14-2015, 08:04 PM

I called up Nick at ARH and after a short conversation they were on there way to me. Nick was quick and responsive and I received the headers in less than a week! Ever since I clicked off the record breaking time last year of 10.4 @ 135 in my stock motor ESS Supercharged DCT M3, I've been on a quest to extract a little bit more out of the car. After I had seen what they did on IMG's car I knew I needed to get my hands on a set despite all the naysayers.

I received them and put the car on the dyno at 6 pm. I took the car off the dyno and by the time it was 12 am the headers were on. Installation wasn't too bad. It required dropping the subframe down so that it could hang while working on removing the old headers. In total about 6-8 hours on a lift depending on mechanical ability.

-Undo each pair of suspension arms off each side of the subframe
-Unbolt steering shaft
-Unbolt steering rack
-Unbolt sway bars
-Lower subframe and let it hang.

Fitment was perfect on the headers and I had zero issues (with the exception of maybe 2 bolts/nuts with tight access). I reused all the stock hardware and gaskets. I used a tiny bit of rtv to hold the individual gaskets up while I mounted the longtubes. The headers also came with 02 sensor extensions. The car went back on the dyno at 10 am the next morning.

The gains we saw were impressive. It picked up +33 whp and +21 ft lbs of torque over stock headers, cat-less ti xpipe, and vaguard ti exhaust. The car feels like a beast on the street. I could definitely notice a seat of the pants gain. The s65's high strung characteristics felt and sounded amplified. It just sounded more tenacious without much added volume.

Here are some pictures. The numbers are low because it was on a very low reading mustang dyno (lower than a typical mustang dyno). A dyno should only be used as a tool anyhow to measure gains.

I'd like to thank Nick and the guys at American Racing for bringing this product to the market at a very competitive price point. I hope I can get out there soon for a personal best. I think the car has a lot more in it.

Baseline:

After:

Idle Rev up :

This is what I baselined the car with. Its a custom Ti X-Pipe:

Sexy ARH headers:

Fitment was excellent:

Graph of gains throughout the power band:

CIFUM3 · 04-14-2015, 08:11 PM

That is awesome! I wonder what's going on in the head of bimmerworld engineers charging a few more for headers making less power.
Please tell me you have videos maybe a before and after sound??

Edit
I wonder if moving the x pipe a little further back like the MRF style one would increase power?

JYTsky · 04-14-2015, 08:16 PM

did it sound better?

JRV · 04-14-2015, 08:25 PM

Nick ARH · 04-14-2015, 08:51 PM

M33too, huge thanks for sharing your experience and results with fellow members. I really would love to see your results from your next trip to the track. Let me know when you plan to go. We'd like to get a video of you resetting that track record. Those kind of gains may get you 2 more MPH and into the 10 teens if it hooks. Best of luck and thank you.

Nick

M33too · 04-14-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JYTsky

did it sound better?

I just posted the vids. Sounds amazing. Definitely better. The idle ticking was also reduced at idle.

IMG · 04-14-2015, 09:00 PM

Great review. Nick and the crew are very Knowledgable and very helpful. Can't wait to see what you do on the strip. Good luck !

M33too · 04-14-2015, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick ARH

M33too, huge thanks for sharing your experience and results with fellow members. I really would love to see your results from your next trip to the track. Let me know when you plan to go. We'd like to get a video of you resetting that track record. Those kind of gains may get you 2 more MPH and into the 10 teens if it hooks. Best of luck and thank you.

Nick

Thanks Nick. I am very optimistic I will reset the record!

Tentatively we are thinking about attending a track rental at Atco May 4th. Keep you posted!

CIFUM3 · 04-14-2015, 09:02 PM

Just heard/saw the videos you can tell on the dyno it sounds throatier with the new headers! I'm jealous

M33too · 04-14-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IMG

Great review. Nick and the crew are very Knowledgable and very helpful. Can't wait to see what you do on the strip. Good luck !

Thanks man. Any driving impressions yet from your car?

IMG · 04-14-2015, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by M33too

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMG

Great review. Nick and the crew are very Knowledgable and very helpful. Can't wait to see what you do on the strip. Good luck !

Thanks man. Any driving impressions yet from your car?

The car feels more alive with the headers. Definitely runs much smoother and I like the fact that it makes more power with less boost.
Where are you located ?

M33too · 04-14-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IMG

The car feels more alive with the headers. Definitely runs much smoother and I like the fact that it makes more power with less boost.
Where are you located ?

South Jersey.

IMG · 04-14-2015, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by M33too

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMG

The car feels more alive with the headers. Definitely runs much smoother and I like the fact that it makes more power with less boost.
Where are you located ?

South Jersey.

Cherry Hill !?

M33too · 04-14-2015, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IMG

Cherry Hill !?

Yes sir! You visit the area?

IMG · 04-14-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by M33too

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Originally Posted by IMG

Cherry Hill !?

Yes sir! You visit the area?

A couple times in the past but I'll def take a ride down to check your car sometime next week.

M33too · 04-14-2015, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by IMG

A couple times in the past but I'll def take a ride down to check your car sometime next week.

We should get a few people together for a drive.

IMG · 04-14-2015, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by M33too

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMG

A couple times in the past but I'll def take a ride down to check your car sometime next week.

We should get a few people together for a drive.

That would be fun. Let me know. Also there's caffeine and carburetors this coming Sunday up in new cannan CT. Fun meet.

Richbot · 04-17-2015, 09:19 AM

Damn, awesome. Can't wait to see results on an NA car.

Is that primary O2 bung getting a read on all 4 or is it going to only get signal from a couple of cylinders? Can't tell where the merge ends from outside the header obviously

Nick ARH · 04-17-2015, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richbot

Damn, awesome. Can't wait to see results on an NA car.

Is that primary O2 bung getting a read on all 4 or is it going to only get signal from a couple of cylinders? Can't tell where the merge ends from outside the header obviously

Rich, without question the O2's are reading all 4 cylinders. NA results should be coming soon.

Nick

Patrón · 04-17-2015, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M33too

I just posted the vids. Sounds amazing. Definitely better. The idle ticking was also reduced at idle.

did you happen to have any boost logs on the before/after? i love your car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMG

The car feels more alive with the headers. Definitely runs much smoother and I like the fact that it makes more power with less boost.
Where are you located ?

i was curious if the boost psi dropped. did you by chance to any logging before/after?

thanks for the posts, guys.

Ezio · 04-17-2015, 01:39 PM

I would bet you would have more gains, on a custom tune with the headers now.

BobS · 04-17-2015, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by M33too

We should get a few people together for a drive.

I might be in for a drive if you guys organize one.... gotta give me time to clear plans with the wifey

Impressive gains! Your going to make me spend more money on this thing

04-14-2015, 08:04 PM	#1
M33too Lieutenant 90 Rep 465 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: May 2014 Location: NJ iTrader: (3)	American Racing Longtube Header Results I called up Nick at ARH and after a short conversation they were on there way to me. Nick was quick and responsive and I received the headers in less than a week! Ever since I clicked off the record breaking time last year of 10.4 @ 135 in my stock motor ESS Supercharged DCT M3, I've been on a quest to extract a little bit more out of the car. After I had seen what they did on IMG's car I knew I needed to get my hands on a set despite all the naysayers. I received them and put the car on the dyno at 6 pm. I took the car off the dyno and by the time it was 12 am the headers were on. Installation wasn't too bad. It required dropping the subframe down so that it could hang while working on removing the old headers. In total about 6-8 hours on a lift depending on mechanical ability. -Undo each pair of suspension arms off each side of the subframe -Unbolt steering shaft -Unbolt steering rack -Unbolt sway bars -Lower subframe and let it hang. Fitment was perfect on the headers and I had zero issues (with the exception of maybe 2 bolts/nuts with tight access). I reused all the stock hardware and gaskets. I used a tiny bit of rtv to hold the individual gaskets up while I mounted the longtubes. The headers also came with 02 sensor extensions. The car went back on the dyno at 10 am the next morning. The gains we saw were impressive. It picked up +33 whp and +21 ft lbs of torque over stock headers, cat-less ti xpipe, and vaguard ti exhaust. The car feels like a beast on the street. I could definitely notice a seat of the pants gain. The s65's high strung characteristics felt and sounded amplified. It just sounded more tenacious without much added volume. Here are some pictures. The numbers are low because it was on a very low reading mustang dyno (lower than a typical mustang dyno). A dyno should only be used as a tool anyhow to measure gains. I'd like to thank Nick and the guys at American Racing for bringing this product to the market at a very competitive price point. I hope I can get out there soon for a personal best. I think the car has a lot more in it. Baseline: After: Idle Rev up : This is what I baselined the car with. Its a custom Ti X-Pipe: Sexy ARH headers: Fitment was excellent: Graph of gains throughout the power band: __________________ 2008 E92 M3 ESS VT2-6XX 10.4@135 Last edited by M33too; 04-19-2015 at 08:01 PM..
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CIFUM3 Captain 103 Rep 999 Posts Drives: 08 E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Goodyear iTrader: (0)	That is awesome! I wonder what's going on in the head of bimmerworld engineers charging a few more for headers making less power. Please tell me you have videos maybe a before and after sound?? Edit I wonder if moving the x pipe a little further back like the MRF style one would increase power? __________________ Performance ESS 625 VT2 Supercharger - CAE Shifter - Revinora race+ axle back - Macht Schnell down pipes - SOSI X-pipe Looks M colors grill - CF trunk - Sapphire Blue Forgestars F14
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