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Firstly, ///M is a Division of BMW that tunes. M is not a car per se. Just like people who thought the STI was a car. It's not. Subaru Technica Internatonal tuned an Impreza. If you look at all of the ///M tuned vehicles, they all perform. Even the 3 ton X6M performs. 0-60 in 4.5!!!!! That's not a Tell tale sign a tuning division is losing its way, in my opinion. Whatever the market calls for, a company must satisfy it. Just because you'll see ///M bits on non-M cars isn't really a big deal. It's performance branding. That's all. If Lamborghini can build an SUV in the 80's and still stay true to its performance DNA, certainly BMW can, too. As far as the 1M goes... It does what it's supposed to do. Perhaps this will be a design study for a greater vehicle in the near future? Let's just wait it out and see before we throw our hands up in disgust.
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While I won't dispute your point that BMW is approaching the market differently than in the past, it is still too early to tell whether M Division will become a mundane tuning house. Once we see what the next M3 has in the way of unique constituent parts, we will definitively know. However, at this point, I think a lot of the "smart money" would bet that the almighty currency did what no competitor could do; get BMW to create widespread discontent among its most ardent followers. |
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Very true. Businesses seem to make the same mistake that other businesses have made; taking a relatively small loyal support base for granted. Do the businesses not realize that it was that base which does much of the company's advertising? FREE! Oh well, someone else will see the void created by BMW's shift in direction and offer products to the spurned fans. Hope springs eternal. |
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And Lambo didn't turn the Gallardo into a 4 door sedan, AND they do have the Superleggara line, which is what the M line is SUPPOSE to be. The bottom line is, they dropped a regular engine in to the 1 series and called it an M. THAT'S NOT AN M IN MY BOOK. Kay Segler needs to go away.
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Pretty good discussion going over in the Z4 section which I'd thought I'd also transplant some ideas from here...I thought I'd see what thoughts folks had on this (and I'll offer mine to start with)...
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Variable geometry turbos might provide a means to this end. These give the turbo the ability to act as a small fast-spooling turbo and a huge turbo all in one package (great low and top end performance). Assuming the price point for these has dropped (or will drop) these would provide a large amount of the performance dynamics we want to keep. The higher-end turbo solution would essentially be an "S" version of the motor. This would set apart the S engine in terms of turbo technology and provide something a simple tune could not match. For BMW, the same basic engine could be an M or not an M thereby providing some nice economies. These little gems sit in the current Porsche turbo, require no wastegates, and have other advantages as well. Might they find there way into the next series M car as the new "S" engine's defining characteristic? Assuming the heat soak (limp) and HPFP DFI woes are addressed, this would be a nice little package. |
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Seems to me like AMG and ///M division are about to switch places. BMW has always had superb chassis tuning and good engines. AMG has had engines of varying quality and dubious chassis dynamics. Now it seems that AMG is building nothing but monster engines and their chassis tuning is making leaps forward with each generation.
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This car is either a piss por attempt at a m car or if it is a good m car then it shows how good they made the 135i.
Either way I will be keeping the 135i as it is much faster than my m3 in every aspect and I have no desire to pay a heck of a lot more than my 135i for some badges just to mod it. IMO it is a total fail and the only reason it will sell is becuase few know about a jb4/v5. Imagine if people test drove a 135i with a simple tune and coils and then drove a 1m...
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Since this is an M3 forum, please continue 1M discussions over in the 1M forum - http://www.1addicts.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=307
Thank you. That is the reason for closing this thread. |
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