my friend who drives a CTS-V

[dimabimmer]

[rabman5]

[Echo M3]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Someone who does not want to get killed by an irresponsible idiot that thinks he can drive and that the Hutchinson River Parkway is a race track. And don't try to justify your friends behavior because there is a legal term for it "Criminal Negligence"

CA

Well said, absolutely agree with you. OP, I hope you don't treat your M3 like your friend treats his CTS-V.

It's sad, some people just do not know how to respect high horsepower vehicles. Just because an M3 or a CTS-V is a track tuned vehicle does not give you the right to DRIVE it like a track car all of the time.

[dimabimmer]

Originally Posted by ihyln

so your friend beat a car who probably wasn't racing and told you to cancel your M3 order...

does the water taste funny up there?

+100

My M3 still have to go another 500 miles till break in, so you all know unless break in service is done you can't tap the full potential of this car... So maybe the M3 that is said to be 15 cars slower than cts was also prior break in? Or maybe this M3 was driven by a girl or a nerd or whatever? So many factors to consider... I mean comparison should be done in equal set up?

I mostly drive my M3 ZCP in middle lane within the speed limit and flow of traffic... and every stupid ass is racing me... for no reason getting in front of me... mostly infinities... they all think they win the "race" by 15 car length sooo stupid... I have nothing to prove,- I just go my way in a hottest BMW in the world with a hot girl sitting next to me... and could care less if some ugly caddilac or infiniti (all the same) thinks they are faster ... I'm just trying to go slower in a very fast car to enjoy my trip longer and I have a big smile on my face

[Coach]

I borrowed my friends CTS-V Coupe a couple of weeks ago and it's very fast. Its quite a bit faster than my M from a roll. When I got my M3 back it was very obvious the M is a better but slower car.

OP, you have white framed sunglasses don't you. I thought so.

[masamune]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

hes been my friend for 15 years, so who the fuck are you to say I should get new friends

This thread

I guess you did care enough to make this thread. It isn't news that the CTS V is a faster car.

[Scoobe]

CTS-V is a sick car, but probably better described as a cheaper M5... kinda. Most reviews say the gearbox in the V is lackluster. But comparing to an M3 cause the price is comparable is valid, but really they are far removed from each other.

Where the M3 shines is in its on-the-fly adustments, like EDC, Mdrive, and the wicked DCT. Those features make the M3 a superior driving machine IMO.

[skierman64]

Yesterday I caught a ride in a CTS-V at Monticello Motor Club for a few laps. It had nice power and brakes but it had a lot of understeer. I don't know how the tire pressures were set but I thought it would be more balanced in the corners. The M3 understeers as well but not to the level that the CTS-V did according to my calibrated butt.

[JulieDriving]

CTS-V is a terrific car. But M Division said themselves they were not out to win the horsepower race with the E9x M3. They wanted to focus more on making a superb driving machine.

Unfortunately, most people keep comparing hp and torque numbers when they brag about their cars...

Different strokes for different folks.

[Crazy Bimmer]

^ bingo.

If i wanted more power i would be in a C63

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by JulieDriving

CTS-V is a terrific car. But M Division said themselves they were not out to win the horsepower race with the E9x M3. They wanted to focus more on making a superb driving machine.

Unfortunately, most people keep comparing hp and torque numbers when they brag about their cars...

Different strokes for different folks.

If you want to know where this car shines refer to the article in Car and Driver for the best handling car. It's by far the fastest car on that list with 4 usable seats.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=429391

[GregW / Oregon]

Another drawback to the CTS-V is you have to deal with GM Cadillac dealers, and their average customer is nowhere near what BMW's is.

[dizzyj]

Originally Posted by Scoobe

CTS-V is a sick car, but probably better described as a cheaper M5... kinda. Most reviews say the gearbox in the V is lackluster. But comparing to an M3 cause the price is comparable is valid, but really they are far removed from each other.

Where the M3 shines is in its on-the-fly adustments, like EDC, Mdrive, and the wicked DCT. Those features make the M3 a superior driving machine IMO.

except you can get rid of edc, mdrive and dct, you still have a superior driving machine. I dont have a single one of those on my car.

[dizzyj]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Another drawback to the CTS-V is you have to deal with GM Cadillac dealers, and their average customer is nowhere near what BMW's is.

one positive for the ctsv is that your dealing with a gm smallblock v8. pretty much bulletproof. my z71 truck has over 250k miles.

[FStop7]

Originally Posted by Mookster

Here we go again...we gotta bring up how good M is on the track and still 99% never track

Whose fault is that? BMW has always intended the M3 to be a street car that performs very well on the track. And that's what it does. If 99% of owners don't take their cars to the track that's not BMW's problem.

[NYCM3ryder]

Originally Posted by JulieDriving

CTS-V is a terrific car. But M Division said themselves they were not out to win the horsepower race with the E9x M3. They wanted to focus more on making a superb driving machine.

Unfortunately, most people keep comparing hp and torque numbers when they brag about their cars...

Different strokes for different folks.

Very nicely said... that's wat i was looking for as well..

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by FStop7

Whose fault is that? BMW has always intended the M3 to be a street car that performs very well on the track. And that's what it does. If 99% of owners don't take their cars to the track that's not BMW's problem.

He's obviously never been to a BMWCCA HPDE. There are a lot of M3s there.

[Frozen Black Panther]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

hes been my friend for 15 years, so who the fuck are you to say I should get new friends

eggs actly

[MistaVauros]

God damn comparison threads!!!

Look, each of us is responsible for buying what makes us happy. The majority of Americans here in the United States, especially the older demographic, prefer pure American muscle (Vette's, Caddy's, Camaro's, Mustang's, etc). Everyone knows that these cars come with MOUNDS of HP and TQ at bargain prices. If your motivation is power, then, by all means, buy something that comes with A LOT of power. Somehow, people that really don't know M3's believe that it is supposed to be King-Ding-A-Ling on the road. Just because it costs a mint doesn't mean it is going to demolish everything on the road.

If you know anything about German racing heritage, they do not race in a straight line; they are all about handling and precision. Do you think it takes more intelligence to design a sports car for straight-line performance or handling-performance? These German engineers are freakin' geniuses! Why do you think these cars costs so much compared to American sports cars?

I am not directing this reply to anyone in particular; just wanted to make a general statement.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by Mista_Vanquish

God damn comparison threads!!!

Look, each of us is responsible for buying what makes us happy. The majority of Americans here in the United States, especially the older demographic, prefer pure American muscle (Vette's, Caddy's, Camaro's, Mustang's, etc). Everyone knows that these cars come with MOUNDS of HP and TQ at bargain prices. If your motivation is power, then, by all means, buy something that comes with A LOT of power. Somehow, people that really don't know M3's believe that it is supposed to be King-Ding-A-Ling on the road. Just because it costs a mint doesn't mean it is going to demolish everything on the road.

If you know anything about German racing heritage, they do not race in a straight line; they are all about handling and precision. Do you think it takes more intelligence to design a sports car for straight-line performance or handling-performance? These German engineers are freakin' geniuses! Why do you think these cars costs so much compared to American sports cars?

I am not directing this reply to anyone in particular; just wanted to make a general statement.

Well written and right on the money.

[301Bimmer9]

Originally Posted by Mista_Vanquish

God damn comparison threads!!!

Look, each of us is responsible for buying what makes us happy. The majority of Americans here in the United States, especially the older demographic, prefer pure American muscle (Vette's, Caddy's, Camaro's, Mustang's, etc). Everyone knows that these cars come with MOUNDS of HP and TQ at bargain prices. If your motivation is power, then, by all means, buy something that comes with A LOT of power. Somehow, people that really don't know M3's believe that it is supposed to be King-Ding-A-Ling on the road. Just because it costs a mint doesn't mean it is going to demolish everything on the road.

If you know anything about German racing heritage, they do not race in a straight line; they are all about handling and precision. Do you think it takes more intelligence to design a sports car for straight-line performance or handling-performance? These German engineers are freakin' geniuses! Why do you think these cars costs so much compared to American sports cars?

I am not directing this reply to anyone in particular; just wanted to make a general statement.

+1 I made a similar comment in the M3 vs STI thread.

CTS-V is nice but I'd go with the C63 for power as well. In my teenage years I would have killed to have a Camaro or Mustang though.

[Kyoshi71]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

so my friend who drives a Caddy CTS-V brags to me today that he annihilated an M3 coupe on the Hutch parkway by like 15 car lengths. I tell him who cares if its faster in a straight line. The M is a much better car in everyother way. He tells me to cancel my order and get the V. I actually did get the same price for both cars with the same money down. I dont care though, I'm a BMW fan. Just thought I'd share this tidbit with all of you

I do believe that the CTS-V would beat an M3 in a strait line but never by 15 cars. On average, in a drag race, a car length is approximately a tenth of a second. That means the CTS-V was a second and a half ahead of the M3? I dont think so. And as for the track...remember the CTS-V Challenge? Bob Lutz from GM, who sponsored the whole thing at Monticello ran a top lap in a CTS-V of 2:56.321

Michael Cooper's E90 M3 ran a 2:50.424

Your friend is either trying to rile you up; or mistook the "28" for an "M"