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I have had Porsche in manual tranny as well as bmw(s) and other japanese cars in manual. Keep in mind that Porsche's clutch is very much different than bmw or honda. it's a bit more sensitive and precise, so requires a little more attention than bmws/hondas. No sweat. I just think you have to get used to the clutch pressure and you will be fine. 964 being an older porsche, i am even sure I would stall if not properly applied.
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I will admit I mostly drove my R32 on the snowy days last year, even though I had winter tires for the M3. This year, the A/S tires got replaced with summers on my R32 daily driving wheels, so the M3 will need to be a true winter DD for me. Any other DCT owning ex-manual drivers find themselves wishing for a manual in the snow?
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11-29-2012, 02:47 PM | #72 |
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Learned driving manual in my e92 M3 2 years ago. Stalled it several times in the first 2 months or so and then it became second nature. Now I don't change it with anything! Nothing more enjoyable than rev matching and getting it right everytime in your daily driving.
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11-29-2012, 03:07 PM | #75 | |
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I drove automatics in high school and never wanted to try a 5 speed manual. I learned several years after I got out of high school. I wanted the 2000 Acura NSX or 2001 Honda S2000 and the S2000 only came in manual so I borrowed my friends 5 speed civic and beat the crap out of it in a huge parking lot for about a week then figured it out and went and bought the S2000. I still had the fear of driving at night and several late nights later I was just fine and to the day I will take a manual over any automatic, SMG, DCT, etc transmission. Just feels a lot better having been in those types of cars. I do have an automatic X5 for practicality and love it.
If you learn how to drive a 5 speed in downtown SF I would fear no other highway/road in America.
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11-29-2012, 06:34 PM | #78 |
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In what way is the DCT not an automatic. The internal mechanism may be different from older generation automatics, but is it not capable of shifting gears automatically i.e. without direct driver action?
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You can argue that DCT is closer to a manual transmission MECHANICALLY, but it's far closer to an automatic FUNCTIONALLY, and honestly I think function is the more important factor all things (and all customers) considered. Mercedes AMG transmissions aren't traditional automatics with slushboxes, but they're still called automatics because "automatic" pertains to function, not whether there's a torque converter. Even the Ford Fusion has a DCT these days; in the unlikely event that the subject of the transmission comes up from potential Fusion customers, do you think Ford salespeople would explain it to them as "like a manual" or "like an automatic"? A transmission that can shift on its own is an automatic transmission, end of story. Having paddle shifters to control shifts and even having clutch plates doesn't make it a manual, any more than some hypothetical transmission with a clutch pedal and an H-pattern shifter that the car could operate autonomously would be considered a manual transmission.
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+1....the DCT is an automatic that "can" shift manually..doesnt make it a true MT by any stretch of the imagination
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DCT is not an automaic, it's an "automated manual" transmission to be exact. I've owned a DCT and you instantly know it behaves differently from the regular conventional automatic. Ex. the clutch is disengaged when you press a brake pedal on street lights, soon as you tap a gas a little you feel it engages again, just like the manual tranny. Also DCT doesn't shift itself to the next gear even when the rev counter is bouncing where regular automatics do shift to the next gear when it hits the rev limiter. |
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^ The fact that DCT doesn't creep and doesn't shift at redline (when in manual mode) doesn't mean it doesn't work automatically. Slushbox automatics could be programmed to do both of those things and they'd still be autos because although those behaviors are true of most if not all slushboxes today, they're not what make an auto an auto.
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Got a 10 minute listen the month before my euro delivery. Learned just enough to get it going but was way nervous. I've had it for 6 months now and got really competent after about 2 months. I'm glad I finally learned
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