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PG, interesting, but not terribly surprising. BMW truly would be clueless if they didn't hire marketing firms to test various markets.
However, if they hire a marketing firm with a clue and any scientific acumen, they will learn the market doesn't exist for this car in the US at it's likely price point. I would really LOVE to be proven wrong! However, if I am wrong, it will ONLY be because the price is just a small increment above the current M3 offering, and not close to the numbers being tossed around as a likely US price. Plus $30-40K over the current M3 will simply not work in this country. It is a very nice car, though, and I applaud the effort.
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Also, good thinking on how you answered the questions on importance, way to go PG, just another way you continue to support the forums, its members and their wants Cheers, e46e92
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At what price point would you guys be interested? I'm thinking around $78,000 + Lux Tax, minus the rear seat delete/extinguisher, and cage but wtih A/C and a basic radio/cd or USB. It would also need more colors. Maybe Alpine White, Dakkar Yellow, Laguna Seca Blue along with the Orange?
The mounting points should be there ready for a cage and back seat delete if one wanted to get more like a GT3-RS.
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has nothing to do with any performance metric other then how comfortable the driver feels pushing the car. Doesn't seem contradictory to me at all. You have the speed of the car or lap time and then you have feel... and they can be independent of each other. A really well setup car can tend to feel slow compared to something loose, even though the slower feeling car is much faster.
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I also asked for a precise definition and as such "feel" does not cut it very well. Later it sounds like you think tossable = comfort at the edge but to me those two seem like very different concepts.
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tossable would focus more on how the car feels on turn in and transitions. Still not a contraindication.
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To me it means how easily/quickly/precisely a car turns into a corner when ordered to do so. This was even more apparent during my motorcycle racing days and almost always was related to the weight and nimbleness of the bike. For example a Yamaha TZ 250 I raced equaled ~230lbs and would change direction effortlessly and nearly at the speed of thought. Very "tossable". On the other hand, a Suzuki GSXR 750 weighing in at 366 lbs took much more effort to get to change direction and turn in was not as sharp as the TZ. Not "tossable" IMO. Same logic can be applied to a car. Just my 2 cents.
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I have some performance estimates courtesy of CarTest (and regression analysis). I am assuming hp to actually be 455 (very well might be 460) and assuming torque of 325 ft lb. I also assumed the Cd (drag coef.) would increase from .31 to .34. Based on those figures I'm finding:
0-60 mph: 3.8s 0-100 mph: 8.4s 0-150 mph: 20s 1/4 mi: 11.9s @120 mph Top speed: 185 mph (virtually unchanged compared to existing car) N'Ring: 7:36 - 7:42 (will strongly depend on tires, driver, conditions, etc.)
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Great article here on the design of the Viper ACR aerodynamics. You can bet a similar effort went into the M3 GTS. This is one very concrete example of what an OEM can do that nearly no aftermarkets companies can or will. As I mentioned earlier the aero of the car is one thing you can't really match with aftermarket.
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Iīm sorry you are correct it does say that in fact, however on the German MPW site there is a short article posted for customers of interest. As of summer 2010 the introduction is planned for other countries. As to the comparison of the Z06.. sad but true to say that that car has by far made the greatest impression on me. Itīs great and at the price itīs offered at over here I might consider one also. BTW you have mail
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I would expect to be paying 50% more than a normal E92 M3 which would about $125000 in CDN $'s.If the car does become available in Canada,my dealer will have an order the same day.The only other cars that are in the same league IMO are the GT3 & GT3rs which equipped the way that I would order would start at over $155000 to $190000 for an RS.
I will order the 2 seat version with air & some sort of sound system and as it probally wont come with the roll bar in North America.It will not be a daily driver but will be driven to the trackdays and used for the odd local jount for those special drives that we all like. At this price level it would be justified in my mind as I am not a big fan of modding in the aftermarket as you never acheive what a bunch of talented engineers can do in the proper corporate atmosphere.My present M3 is the best everyday car that I have had but is not hard core enough for the track days that I enjoy so much and do know to fix this comprimise,comes at quite a cost. |
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If a M3 GTS is to expensive (still wait until it will be compared to the GT3/RS) than wait for the "M1" or 135i "CSL" based on the current 1 series Coupé (E82). It will blow up the Porsche Boxter Spyder. BMW M focalises on weight reduction of the current 135i than on power, so don't expect to get more than 360 hp, and I think it will also cost around 50.000 €. The most funny thing would be if the coming "M1"/135i "CSL" will not come to U.S.
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