What size Avant Garde M359s should I get?

slicer · 08-25-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by C17MooseDriver

People going from 220s to 359s seem like a real downgrade to me. More so than going from ZCP to AG

Really? The 220's are forged but they only weigh 1-2 lbs less than the ZCP which are 1/2" wider which allows the proper fitment of wider tires. Plus the ZCP's are made by BBS and their reputation for high quality can not be denied. How do you figure that going from a high quality wheel made by BBS down to a rep made by ?? in ?? is not a "real downgrade"?

C17MooseDriver · 08-25-2013, 04:22 PM

I'm not saying its not a downgrade, but for half the price, is the AGs half as good?

I haven't seen any complaints or facts about quality and strength that would show it being that inferior. In fact, it seems people who have it are really happy with it.

JTO24 · 08-27-2013, 10:20 AM

I'm curious to see the AG 359s in their new
18 in rim... 18x9.5 square would be kinda cool/ different if weights aren't outrageous

slicer · 08-27-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

next step in modding:

s65 to n55 transplant....its turbo so its better.

couldn't you just powdercoat them, keep your spacers and call it a day?!

How about....? I don't like the color of my M3 so I'm going to trade it for a 328i in the color I want.

pkimM3r · 08-27-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by slicer

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

next step in modding:

s65 to n55 transplant....its turbo so its better.

couldn't you just powdercoat them, keep your spacers and call it a day?!

How about....? I don't like the color of my M3 so I'm going to trade it for a 328i in the color I want.

Make sure to get zcp wheels though.

Denk · 08-27-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lute

But that's a downgrade. Stick with 220s they're forged so they're better, right?

yup, less wind resistance on forged, kinda like a shaved swimmer compared to a hairy one. I've got some land to sell also.

pkimM3r · 08-27-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lute

But that's a downgrade. Stick with 220s they're forged so they're better, right?

you got me. unless the zcp are plastidipped in green. oh yeah!

Kung Fu English · 09-04-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by slicer

How about....? I don't like the color of my M3 so I'm going to trade it for a 328i in the color I want.

It's more like getting a 335 at least lol.

I can't say I haven't also considered doing this to get the ZCP blacks though, so I do understand the predicament as you can save 1k. Or even buy some avant gardes with tires for <1000 which is huge. If I did it I would probably use the avant gardes as DD then get track wheels too which isn't a bad idea anyway.

I'd do a straight up trade if I could. Or even trade + some dollars. Selling then buying new wheels is a hassle. Buying first could leave you with a set of wheels that won't sell.

The other option is powder coating the stock silver wheels but I wouldn't know what color to tell them. Anyone has done this yet?

pkimM3r · 09-04-2013, 04:34 PM

in all seriousness, the best option here is to get the OE ZCP wheels powdercoated.

benha · 11-21-2013, 06:36 PM

Guys, I'm in a similar situation as OP, but this is my case: I just got the M3 this summer so I would like (mild) winter tires/wheels to swap out. That's why I have ZCP wheels with summer rubber and want to get the Avant Garde M359's for winter. To clarify, they give you a choice of offsets in each wheel diameter (i.e. 19x9" fronts in ET18 or ET35 and 19x10" rears in ET25 or ET38).
Also, the stock sizes for ZCP are 19x9 ET31 Front & 19x10 ET 25 Rear according to turnermotorsports. So, the OP has a point that the AG rims are over $1K cheaper than OEM GTS and are low pressure cast, high quality wheels. I need a second set and want black for a change, so it makes sense.
Maybe I don't understand, but don't you add the spacer mm's to the ET mm's to get the total offset? (13 spacer + 31ET = 44mm?) Why subtract the number if it's measuring wheel center to hub and a spacer pushes the wheel farther from the hub?

PerfM5 · 11-22-2013, 01:27 AM

Just FYI I noticed a few references that the E9x ZCPs are made by BBS. They're not. Take a look at the inside of the spokes. The E46 ZCP/CSL were stamped BBS the E9x aren't...

BIGW0RM · 12-16-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PERFM3

Just FYI I noticed a few references that the E9x ZCPs are made by BBS. They're not. Take a look at the inside of the spokes. The E46 ZCP/CSL were stamped BBS the E9x aren't...

I saw that too. So much bad information going around this forum at times. SMH.

The ZCP wheels ARE NOT...REPEAT... ARE NOT MADE BY BBS PEOPLE.

Longboarder · 12-16-2013, 09:04 AM

Guys, I currently have both.

the AG 359's are BETTER IMHO compared to the stock ZCPs as 1) they look exactly the same from the outside, 2) the build quality was replicated, 3) they are way less expensive and 4) they do not require a spacer. They are flush given their aggressive offset. Spacers SUCK. Unless you torque the lugs perfectly you get steering vibration.

Black Gold · 12-16-2013, 05:18 PM

The rear offset is identical between ag 359 and oem. So the offset is only different in the front

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C17MooseDriver Captain 20 Rep 878 Posts Drives: E92 AW M3 6MT Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (0)	I'm not saying its not a downgrade, but for half the price, is the AGs half as good? I haven't seen any complaints or facts about quality and strength that would show it being that inferior. In fact, it seems people who have it are really happy with it. __________________
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pkimM3r Banned 205 Rep 7,298 Posts Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lost angeles iTrader: (0)	in all seriousness, the best option here is to get the OE ZCP wheels powdercoated.
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benha Private 8 Rep 81 Posts Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW E92 M3 [0.00]	Guys, I'm in a similar situation as OP, but this is my case: I just got the M3 this summer so I would like (mild) winter tires/wheels to swap out. That's why I have ZCP wheels with summer rubber and want to get the Avant Garde M359's for winter. To clarify, they give you a choice of offsets in each wheel diameter (i.e. 19x9" fronts in ET18 or ET35 and 19x10" rears in ET25 or ET38). Also, the stock sizes for ZCP are 19x9 ET31 Front & 19x10 ET 25 Rear according to turnermotorsports. So, the OP has a point that the AG rims are over $1K cheaper than OEM GTS and are low pressure cast, high quality wheels. I need a second set and want black for a change, so it makes sense. Maybe I don't understand, but don't you add the spacer mm's to the ET mm's to get the total offset? (13 spacer + 31ET = 44mm?) Why subtract the number if it's measuring wheel center to hub and a spacer pushes the wheel farther from the hub?
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PerfM5 Lieutenant 94 Rep 530 Posts Drives: F10 M5 Space, E92 M3 Techno Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: SoCal iTrader: (7)	Just FYI I noticed a few references that the E9x ZCPs are made by BBS. They're not. Take a look at the inside of the spokes. The E46 ZCP/CSL were stamped BBS the E9x aren't...
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Black Gold Major General 592 Rep 5,396 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (15)	The rear offset is identical between ag 359 and oem. So the offset is only different in the front
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