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I see something like this being very possible with the Turbocharged M3/M4, as a tune can add in 50+hp, all while keeping costs lower. |
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IMHO, I just see the "Diluting of the ///M brand" as a positive thing for BMW to keep up with sales against other auto manufacturers. I bet if BMW started to lose money, the ///M brand is the first one to go. BMW has decided diluting the ///M brand to make more money, which will lead to better sales, and more ///M's for us in the future.
They don't want following the same fate as saab, alfa romeo and citroen in which all have fallen in the same pit which led to their downfall. We all know that the Lime Rock edition M3 is all for marketing. All cosmetic mods. NO PERFORMANCE modification at all. You could actually build one just like it (Not exactly the same, but VERY close to it) if you already own a 6-speed e92 M3 with the competition package. Since you have the carbon roof as standard equipment, all you have to do is get the following: --> Orange wrap (Just like forum member Archiebabes) --> BMW performance spoiler --> BMW performance exhaust --> BMW performance steering wheel --> BMW CF chin splitters --> BMW performance seats There you have it. ALL COSMETIC mods to produce a pretty much replica of the lame Lime Rock edition M3.
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As for your last part I can see why you didnt go with the M3 as your goal is to run 11s, in that case the GT500 is by far a better car for you. Im guessing your a past Evo owner based on your sig (I was one as well) and like your self use to be all about speed, but the M3 for me has been the most complete all around car i have ever owned. By complete I mean, its amazing to drive, its powerful (within reason), amazing handeling, comfortable, easy to deal with for daily use, prestigious, service department is great (loaner cars are awesome), ect, ect. Its got one of the best if not best all around owner experiences. I think thats what people forget, when bitching about just performance. What other brand can offer this experience? MB? too soft in the driving experience (make fast AMG cars, but the handeling isnt there and the cars feel soft), Audi? While the closest to BMW IMO, the AWD systems of the S and RS cars still make handeling not as exciting, Ford? cant touch the car in comfort, or service, Nissan? same as Ford, ect, ect. |
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some of the responses in this thread are hilariously emotional
I agree with the author in general, but he is being pretty harsh. two things are true - this lime rock M3 and the fake sounds in the M5 are an utter embarrassment to the brand. but in reality, BMW has to toe the line...it's built crazy track editions before but they don't sell too well in the US. but if they make the cars more luxurious, sales success! |
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Agree and with most of the article, some of it is harsh, but he is entitled to his opinion. I love some of the fanboi responses, they exemplify what the author is saying vs. belittling him. I have watched with disgust, the ever steady dilution of the ///M brand. Soon you will be able to get a "M-Line" 3 series that will look 95% just like a M3, a’ la Audi. The M5 with the sound through the speakers is a travesty as far as I am concerned - same for the X5M and X6M.
I really wish I had not sold my Z4MC - last pure car made by ///Marketing. Yes, the 1 Series M or whatever it is called is not bad either... at matching a 5 year older (and worse tired - although it could have been cup tires as BMW is fond of doing) Z4MC on the 'ring.
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90K how could they do that? that a pipe dream Its a 120k car that would almost NEVER sell in the US unless they made like 500 at most. Plus the cost of smog testing, crash testing, changing the seats etc for US reg would make the car a lot more than that. Would you buy an M3 GTS for 140k-150k plus?
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I kind of like the fact that the hp output from a 2008 M3 is the same as a 2013 M3 (even some limited editions). I perceive that as a consistent brand. One that would not add 10hp per year or per "edition" only to piss off everyone who bought last year's model.
It makes the 2008 model that much more valuable, and subsequently the 09-13 models as well. I think this helps resale/residual value of the brand as a whole. |
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i've been saying this!! corporate really needs to see how the customers feel. Oh well it's business, so whatever yields them $$$ they'll do.
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this article is laughable.. it reminds me of the articles about the death of the bmw v12 that had folks on competing brand forums foaming @ the mouth over the prospect lol..
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Article is a bit too dramatic but it's accurate. M brand, in the eyes of a true enthusiast, is lost. They will still make plenty of money though.
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This was a disappointing article and I was on the same page as many of the posts in this thread but I have to admit...coming from Bill makes me take it more seriously. He isn't just some schmuck writing about pretty cars.
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as you can tell by the majority of the negative feedback to the article in this thread (emphasis on "majority"), most are pretty ignorant on who Bill is, what he does, and where is Point of View comes from. perfect example: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=111
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LOL, you've got to be kidding. So let me get this straight, you're not impressed by anything making less than 100 HP per liter it appears. So that rules out all the NA AMGs, all the Corvettes (ZR1 included), the Boss 302, the Viper, some Lambos and Feraris, and basically everything else under $200K besides the Honda S2000. Not to mention, have you priced out a GT3(RS) in comparison to an M3? Go try to buy a 4.0L Porsche and let me know how that turns out.
The article was terrible. Full of sniveling and whining. Contradictions and hypocrisy. And I don't give a shit about M or it's heritage, I bough an M3 because it was the best car in the segment. Period. Quote:
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The M-badge is being diluted... what's the big deal?
Serioulsy if you think that most M buyers buy their car for the track you are totally wrong! Most of them suit up on Monday get in their car and get stuck in the traffic to go to work... That's reality! I mean if you are a real purist and enthusiast of BMW mechanic you shouldn't care about if your car as an M badge on it or not and you should care less about the M badge being diluted... If you need the M badge to feel right about your M3 you are the real poser here! Now stop whining get on track and enjoy the pleasure of driving your BMW! |
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And I think the specificity of your desired configuration underscores the problem: for the extra $10k-20K that this car would cost, you want something different than the next guy, and the next guy after that. Why not just the tuners fill the void as they are today? BMW would have to build and sell a bunch of different M-branded micro-models to achieve the same level of profitability they're recognizing today by doing what they're doing. They're just not playing in the that ballpark right now as Porsche is with it's many 911 variants. Maybe BMW needs to consider an uber M sub-brand for cars like this (like someone mentioned earlier, Audi's RS line) but that's also a form of dilution because then many people will say "uber M is the REAL M." In the end, it's a whole lot easier for BMW to continue to make $100K M luxury/sports sedans than delve into the niche business. They're taking the easier route and chasing the easier money. I don't love it either, but it's clearly working for them financially for now. Long term it may cause some brand damage, but it's easy to forget that brands also adapt. Because of where we come from and which cars we grew up with, M means something different to many of us than what it will mean to someone our age 20 years from now. BMW is probably counting on that by evolving the meaning of the label...and they're counting the money all the way. |
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Quite a few points I'd agree with... Piped in motor sounds and badgeing cars "special or limited edition" without any handling or power gains only hurts the BMW brand, and the M division.
I for one will cross my fingers that when the new M3(M4) arrives it is what the M division had been about in the past. Keep the weight down, power up, and PLEASE hold the cheese-wizz labels and sounds tracks. I'll make my own sound effects at the track thank you.
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Someone needs their meds...
Alibiet interesting points, most of which I was not aware of, it is what it is. Is the M5/M6 supposed to be a stripped down bare-bones race-car? No one that can afford one would buy one if it was...
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