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05-25-2007, 07:45 PM | #1 |
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M3 vs 335i
So...I'm thinking that the M3 is going to pretty much be in direct competition with the 335i w/PROcede. I'm kinda curious as to why BMW would give the 335 so much...and not give the M3 any more...the stats are way too close. I think M3 sales won't be as high cuz it's gonna cost a lot more than a 335i and the performance gain is little, and as you e90ers have been talking the suspension upgrades are also plentiful for the 335 as well.
So....what the hell is BMW thinking? You don't want to compete against yourself, cuz when people can save money and buy the "cheaper" car, what's that do to your M3 sales? If you've talked about it in detail on e90post or m3post...great, good for you, hit me with the and move on. |
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specs are specs....................but i'm sure the power and drive is completely different. you have to consider every inch of the cars.........
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BMW will have no problem selling the new M3 because the M3 is an exclusive car. People will buy the new M3 simply because it's an M3.
Is the 335i upgradable to match the performance of the new M3? Yes, I'm sure it is!....BUT, All the mods needed to upgrade the 335 to the performance of the new M3 (track and drag) will cost plenty of money and at the end of the day...you might as well buy the new M3 (assuming the MSRP will start around $55K as predicted!). Procede, LSD, Full Exhaust, Intake, Suspensions etc... So you have $5300 dollars in mods right there.... An M3 will always be an M3!!
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05-25-2007, 08:43 PM | #4 |
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The E30 M3 was somewhat exclusive. The E46 M3 sold over 85,000 units - not so exclusive. The E9* M3 will sell even more, since it's apparently going to be offered in all the current E90 variants - coupe, cab, estate, sedan, rickshaw, etc...
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05-25-2007, 08:46 PM | #5 |
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yeah seriously... LSD 2000, not crappy tires 1000, suspension, 2500, software/full exhaust 4000. boom. you're already minimum at 8000, realistically...installed, over 10 grand. BMW isn't stupid... people need to stop thinking they know something BMW doesnt.
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05-25-2007, 08:58 PM | #6 |
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This discussion was held ad nauseum over on M3 post. I think it was pretty much agreed, even by those in the M camp, that the well equipped 335i + mods for $50K was at least = the anticipated $65K+ typically equipped M3.
BTW, in regards to weight, you can lose almost 50 lbs just by going to lightweight wheels. |
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According to my sales advisor, it is always difficult to sell the M3s here in Canada.
However, M3 is a like cult and there are still, however minimal, a bunch of devolted customers willing to pay any price for a M'er.
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not true dude. there is no arguing that stock for stock as speeds increase the M3 will steadily walk away from a 335. up 100 mph it's about even.... but with increased speed, the larger displacement and the higher redline will prove the M3 as superior.
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The M3 and 335i are ~ no matter where you look for objctive data. You can argue about 100-150+ all you want, there are few roads or even tracks where those speeds matter in the US. And a simple $2 mod to the 335i will end all arguments no matter your venue, and the M3 does NOT come out on top. |
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I was disappointed when I read the specs of the E9* M3 with the V8. The torque is.... low. I am thinking of keeping my Z4M Coupe with the S54 and then supercharging it once the warranty runs out....
I have gone in a straight line with 335's. The Z4M is somewhat faster but not all that much faster. I have only done this to 100kph because the limit was 90kph on that road coming out of a red light. I refuse to get into "road races". |
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Despite the fact that the world's most successful race cars (in all series where FI is not banned) and high performance piston planes are all forced induction, the "magical" NA crowd rears its head once again. And what high revving NA engine? My GSXR race bike spun to 14K, and the Yammy's were spinning to 17.5K. My Ducati twin was a low revver and it had a redline much higher than the M3. |
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You do realize this was the same debate that the prospective E60 M5 owners had before the car was released. As for AMGs beating M5's the only car that does are the 600 hp / 700 foot pound cars like the SL65. There are loads of vids on the net that will show you that, including the S55. People wrongly focus on torque along....the E60 M5 proves this narrow view is just plain wrong. Horsepower is a measure of an engine's ability to do work over time. In the measure of SAE HP, revs are just as important as torque in the determination of the power of the engine. The new M3 will rev up to 8300 rpm, combined with a flat torque curve and proper gearing, the new M3 will beat a proceed 335i significantly....assuming BMW gets the gearing right like they did in the E60 M5.
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No one knows what the new M3 will drive like yet. I agree it would be nice to have a little more torque (it always is) but, I'm sure the engine response of that motor will be awesome especially up top. Which is where the 335 motor is kind of flat with the stock turbos. Once there are some after market turbo choices I'm sure the 335 will be able to trounce the M3 on the top end but, we are longer talking stock for stock at that point. Regarding handling I'm sure the M3 will be much more nimble and firm than the 335i. Again I'm sure there will be after market solutions for this as well. The same with braking. I think the M3 will be hard to get appreciable gains out of not to mention incredibly expensive to mod. Lets face it you can make modding a 335 pretty damn expensive if you want to as well. The $8K supersprint turbo back is proof of that. Now you've come to a point where you probably have better performance than the M3 but, have pretty much rendered your warranty null and void and spent as much or more money. So, what's that worth? I really don't think BMW will have a hard time moving M3's. I think it will be considerably quicker than an RS4 given how heavy those car are and their quattro systems higher parasitic losses. It's not like competition wasn't already out there. They knew what they were up against. |
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