So a few months back we talked about banning of certain things

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Esteban

My gas water heater and gas furnace are in my garage and I'm thinking its like that for a lot of people which is why they're not pushing that right now but as mentioned above, that's probably coming too.

Yup.

https://sjvsun.com/business/energy/u...al-gas-stoves/

[M-technik-3]

Originally Posted by hubbahubba

As well you should like it! Gas is hands down the best way to cook. My neighborhood now does not have gas run to it, so I had no choice. We went with induction. I am not overly thrilled with it...

Interesting, I had toyed with going this direction but have some other things I wanted prior to adding this to my house. I love my older gas stove that has a power burner and a tiny simmer burner plus integral pancake skillet or bacon cooker. Sadly it does not match the decor.

[hubbahubba]

Originally Posted by M-technik-3

Interesting, I had toyed with going this direction but have some other things I wanted prior to adding this to my house. I love my older gas stove that has a power burner and a tiny simmer burner plus integral pancake skillet or bacon cooker. Sadly it does not match the decor.

If you can stick with gas somehow, do it. Induction is more all or nothing IMO. You can heat it up quickly, but just doesn’t seem as balanced as gas.

[Turkish Pickle]

I just wonder why they care about banning gas stoves and grills to force people to switch to electric, without doing anything to the electrical infrastructure?

PG&E in CA year after year manages to burn down millions of acres endangering people. Texas was useless the second it got a little cold over there; interesting to note how stereotypically two political extremes of states run into the same problem of lacking infrastructure.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Turkish Pickle

I just wonder why they care about banning gas stoves and grills to force people to switch to electric, without doing anything to the electrical infrastructure?

PG&E in CA year after year manages to burn down millions of acres endangering people. Texas was useless the second it got a little cold over there; interesting to note how stereotypically two political extremes of states run into the same problem of lacking infrastructure.

Well, one issue you're probably not aware of is that your two examples are both privately held utilities.

Also neither ERCOT or PG&E would be for banning gas seeing as how it's part of their revenue stream.

[Lady Jane]

Seriously???

But on the other hand:

[Alfisti]

I know AUstralia has been worried about gas stove tops for a while in regards to the CO2 being burned off indoors, particularly for kids. They have not banned it yet but have sent out advisories that it appears to damage one's health.

[Lady Jane]

I currently use a quartz stovetop because gas is not available in my area. But I had gas stoves, gas fireplaces and water heaters for years. I like gas for cooking and I do miss my AGA,

BTW, what about restaurants??? Don't they all use gas stoves?

Anyway, interesting debate.

[owenscj21]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Cooking on my stove top with an open flame daily and I don't have it vented to the outside.....meanwhile my Co2 detector 15 feet down the hall is pegged at zero, with nothing to detect. It has fresh batteries and it is tested regularly.

Yeah, I get it 100%. Gas ranges aren’t vented appliances. It’s assumed that range hoods will be used in conjunction with the range.

There is no agreed Co2 standard in place for indoor air. Homes without gas ranges can average 0.5 – 5ppm readings even with vented appliances (HWT, Furnace, Fireplace etc)

At 9ppm, ASHRAE / WHO and others agencies agree that these levels are “safe” up to 8 hours of exposure
35ppm, physical symptoms will occur at 6-8 hours
200ppm, physical symptoms will occur at 2-3 hours
400+ppm, physical symptoms in 45 mins. Unconscious in 2 hours. Fatal in 2-3 hours.

A properly “tuned” gas range can emit 5-15ppm Co2 while a poorly adjusted range can be 30ppm or higher. A correctly sized range hood will take care of the emissions.

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

BTW, what about restaurants??? Don't they all use gas stoves?

Big commercial range hoods!

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

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Seriously???

But on the other hand:


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Soo, your source?

Also yes, restaurants have these things called ventilation systems that are quite powerful, also not a lot of children working in them.

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Soo, your source?

It was all over the news feeds this morning. Just google the headline.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Soo, your source?

[erickonphoenix]

when I lived in the rat hole in south Houston I had a natural gas leak coming out of my oven for four years. The rent was cheap so I didn't complain and I was fine.

[KevinC]

Hmm, seems this family cooks with gas.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

It was all over the news feeds this morning. Just google the headline.

So you go to fox news to, what? Get in a circle jerk about how some right-wing dingbats who have no cred are talking shit about something they dont know?

[ryan stewart]

Man, you conservatives are really infatuated with hunters dong.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by dradernh

Annnddd?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130523/
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/169/11/1327/159993
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep22429
https://assets.publishing.service.go...eport-2022.pdf

Sorry I dont join in on the right-wing circle jerk of dipshits I guess...

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Man, you conservatives are really infatuated with hunters dong.

is there such a thing as middle anymore or does that no longer exist? it's a rarity if you ask me...

i am as middle as it gets but I think BOTH biden and trump are utter clowns and should not be President... in fact no one over 65 should be... as far as Congress, about 90% are clowns...

if i was the dems, i'd stay miles away from people like AOC and Bernie
If i was repub... miles away from Gaetz or the madwoman from GA

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by ASAP

is there such a thing as middle anymore or does that no longer exist? it's a rarity if you ask me...

i am as middle as it gets but I think BOTH biden and trump are utter clowns and should not be President... in fact no one over 65 should be... as far as Congress, about 90% are clowns...

if i was the dems, i'd stay miles away from people like AOC and Bernie
If i was repub... miles away from Gaetz or the madwoman from GA

Yep. If you are required to retire from being a Commercial Airline pilot at 65 and Air Traffic Controllers are required to retire at 56 because of declining faculties, why in the hell are we letting these incredibly old, wealthy, and completely out of touch geezers still be in office?

[3.0L]

Ban low performance drivers, not high performance cars.

[Turkish Pickle]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Well, one issue you're probably not aware of is that your two examples are both privately held utilities.

Also neither ERCOT or PG&E would be for banning gas seeing as how it's part of their revenue stream.

No, I am. I would expect the government to act as a method of checks and balances to corporations to protect its citizens, not the other way around.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Annnddd?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130523/
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/169/11/1327/159993
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep22429
https://assets.publishing.service.go...eport-2022.pdf

Sorry I dont join in on the right-wing circle jerk of dipshits I guess...

No idea what all that is about. I thought I was answering a question you had. Please forgive me for interrupting whatever it is that's going on for you.