chipped 335i as fast as M3?

[DevJ]

i really don't understand why this thread keeps going on..end it already. A 335i is a different car than the M3...i'm not saying its worse but seriously...who cares whats faster? Get whatever you like and be done with it

[addy85]

Originally Posted by DevJ

i really don't understand why this thread keeps going on..end it already. A 335i is a different car than the M3...i'm not saying its worse but seriously...who cares whats faster? Get whatever you like and be done with it

It's almost like the m and the 335 are different brands of cars

[E90ice]

Nicely modded 335 > M3 in straight line.....and not by much! So what?

You can't race all day, can you?

And who cares about 0.1 or 0.3 seconds faster?
How many times can you drive you car at the limit in everyday life? Once in a blue moon!

I'm always up for a race, and to be honest, I raced 3-4 times since I got my car 8 months ago. So how cares?

The M3 is a better driving experience.

close this thread already!

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Nicely modded 335 > M3 in straight line.....and not by much! So what?

You can't race all day, can you?

And who cares about 0.1 or 0.3 seconds faster?
How many times can you drive you car at the limit in everyday life? Once in a blue moon!

I'm always up for a race, and to be honest, I raced 3-4 times since I got my car 8 months ago. So how cares?

The M3 is a better driving experience.

close this thread already!

Nicely modded 335? What is that? On 100+ octane that you don't run on the street? Where is this nonsense coming from?

M3 > 335 straight line, curved line, squiggly line, it doesn't matter. It is not like M3's can't be modded.

[TLud]

Originally Posted by addy85

It's almost like the m and the 335 are different brands of cars

+1. With all the hostility here, you'd think we were comparing the Mustang and Camaro. When guys in 335s pull up next to me and check out my M3, I give them a thumbs up. A few of them have tried to race, but I've never been in a safe situation, so I haven't gratified that urge. I'd be very curious to do some runs against a chipped 335, especially once my engine has opened up.

[knifegun]

Originally Posted by TLud

+1. With all the hostility here, you'd think we were comparing the Mustang and Camaro. When guys in 335s pull up next to me and check out my M3, I give them a thumbs up. A few of them have tried to race, but I've never been in a safe situation, so I haven't gratified that urge. I'd be very curious to do some runs against a chipped 335, especially once my engine has opened up.

+1. Honestly, I don't think I would race a 335 even if the situation was okay in an M3 for two reasons:

1. The M3 was not meant to be a drag race. It is the balance of all the parts that make it an M3.

2. Completely agree that the M3 and the 335 may as well be different models. Their driving characteristics are night and day. I would still the M3 even at the premium even if the 335 was faster.

If we all bought cars for straight line speed, we would buy Z07s.

[addy85]

z07's? LOL when did those come out?

[M3WC]

Who f'n cares. Drive your cars and shut up. Quit arguing like women about cars. It is sad.

This is what the stupid horsepower war has produced. Geniuses buying BMW's for straight-line speed. It is a damn travesty. BMW's never use to be the high horsepower cars. M cars are the sum of all parts, the perfect balance.

What are the poor 335i owners going to do when the new 5-series TT8 shows up? At least they will shut up about their so-called untouchable car.

[footie]

This most be the longest running load of dribble.

WHO THE F#@K CARES.

[RT8_M3]

Originally Posted by footie

This most be the longest running load of dribble.

WHO THE F#@K CARES.

I agree.

An M is more exclusive. As for a 335, man I see like 50 a day around here in So Cal. Tired of *If a 335 chipped is just as fast as an M I'd rather get a 335 threads*, if that's the case then get a 335 and stop ranting like little girls. lol

[09E92M34ME]

[knifegun]

I don't understand this thread either. I really could give a rats ass how close the 335 gets to the M3 and how much it costs. I have driven both and the M3 is a different car. At the end of the day, I measure the value of the car based on the smile it puts on my face when I drive it. The smile is based on performance, feel, amenities, looks and balance. If I wanted a straight line car, I would just buy a Corvette and mod the hell out of it. Or even get an Mitsubishi Evo / Subaru STI. But I don't want that. I want the best of all worlds. Performance, good looks (w/o replacing bumpers, etc) and balance. The M3 does that. I am not interested in wasting my time looking for ways to get my car close to an M3 looks or performance wise. I have better things to do.

End of the day, maybe in some peoples minds the M3 costs 40% more for a 5% improvement (just making up the numbers). But for me, I don't care. I will pay for the 5% because ignoring performance figures, a 335 will never feel like an M3...period. And I am willing to pay for it.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Sticky

It is poor etiquette to bump a thread this old. Especially when its a 335 owner doing it on M3post to promote the 335. Just very poor form.

Regardless, give me 12k, and you will be nowhere near my M3.

I don't care what you think, no offense I just don't.

I'm just stating that given that much money I could do so. I also stated that I'd still prefer an M3, regardless of how fast any 335i could be.

It's a forum. Deal with the occasional "poor etiquette".

[Year's_End]

Forums just seem to generate hostile environments with cars like these.

On the road I've had spirited drives (NOT races) with M3s and 335is and they've ALWAYS been good-spirited and end up with the windows down and thumbs up.

[Hit_Apex]

I cannot believe how fast my nicely modded 335i is on race gas. It's a great daily driver but too high strung to enjoy on the track. It would be interesting if a few people on both sides could swap cars for a couple weeks. Most everyone commenting have never experienced both cars first hand. I would choose the M all day long because I value handling and track reliability over straightline speed. I don't value the warranty so that wouldn't be factor for me on either car, but for most it is nice to protect.

[knifegun]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

I cannot believe how fast my nicely modded 335i is on race gas. It's a great daily driver but too high strung to enjoy on the track. It would be interesting if a few people on both sides could swap cars for a couple weeks. Most everyone commenting have never experienced both cars first hand. I would choose the M all day long because I value handling and track reliability over straightline speed. I don't value the warranty so that wouldn't be factor for me on either car, but for most it is nice to protect.

I drove a 335i for almost 3 weeks while my E90 M3 was at the shop. I actually could not believe how different the cars where. To me, the 335i is an awesome car. After all, it has all the characteristics that we all love about BMWs. But (not to offend anyone) honestly, I felt that the 335i as nice as it was felt like a Honda Accord compared to the M3. They may look similar, but they drive like two completely different cars in all aspects including interior feel, etc. If I was not getting an M3, I would rather drive a 135i, save a few bucks and mod the hell out of it. After all, if you are not getting the M3 feel, any car with the 335i engine will suffice for me. I can tune away and probably beat an M3 in a straight line. But at the end, I did not get an M3 for straight line speed. I got it for that unique M3 feel. End of story.

[Straz M3]

^^ Couldn't agree more. I went from owning a 07 335i (Vishnu PROcede tuned by Shiv himself, Milltek exhaust, HR Springs) to a E46 M3 ZCP. That M3, while not as fast as my 335i was 10x more fun to drive and swing around. This is what made me an M Believer. In my opinion E92 M3> E46 M3 > 335i. I then got the E92 M3 and it's just exactly what I personally was looking for. A sports car that can handle the DD role and provide hours and hours of ear to ear smiles. Have you 335i owners heard the S65 at 8400 rpms? I owned the 335i for a year...seriously guys...it's a different car and it doesn't touch the E9x M3.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by knifegun

I drove a 335i for almost 3 weeks while my E90 M3 was at the shop. I actually could not believe how different the cars where. To me, the 335i is an awesome car. After all, it has all the characteristics that we all love about BMWs. But (not to offend anyone) honestly, I felt that the 335i as nice as it was felt like a Honda Accord compared to the M3. They may look similar, but they drive like two completely different cars in all aspects including interior feel, etc. If I was not getting an M3, I would rather drive a 135i, save a few bucks and mod the hell out of it. After all, if you are not getting the M3 feel, any car with the 335i engine will suffice for me. I can tune away and probably beat an M3 in a straight line. But at the end, I did not get an M3 for straight line speed. I got it for that unique M3 feel. End of story.

I should have qualified, a Stage 3 335i. I agree in stock trim the 335i/135i is Accord-ish. I've owned more M's then non-M's and nothing puts a smile on my face like driving my heavily modded '06 E46 M3 around. But, if you get a chance to drive a 400whp 135i take it.

[Driver72]

I have no doubt that what you guys are saying in the few posts above is true. There IS a reason an M is an M.
There would be ZERO reasons to buy an M car if it didn't feel significantly different than the non-M models.

Even though I have never had the opportunity to really drive an e46 or e9x M3 (though I surely could take one on a "test drive" if desired) I can only imagine it's like driving any high performance version of other cars.
AMG's feel better and different then regular MB's
Even Type R Honda cars feel better and different than regular Honda's.

I'm sure it's a lot like the difference in feel between a 335i with sports package and a 328i without sports package. That's night and day and I'm sure the difference between the stock 335i and stock M3 is at least that much different and improved.

But saying all that doesn't diminish the greatness of the 335i for being a "regular" car. It's still the benchmark of all other entry level luxury performance cars. And in many cases out handles some manufacturers high performance models (335i will take an S4 out on a track and probably run close to the RS4 on many tracks).

It also doesn't take away from the great acceleration easily attainable by the N54 engine with just a tune. Matching (and in some cases beating) the stock M3 in acceleration with a simple $629 tune (or around $400 for the nonplug and play version) is pretty remarkable.

I don't have any other work done to my 335i. But would welcome and be greatful to any e9x M3 owner who'd want to meet up and swap cars for a little bit just to feel the difference in both cars. Of course, not to beat on each others cars and risk accident or anything, just to appreciate the differences in both cars.

Cheers.

[emthree4me]

you said the operative word, yeah I agree its a regular car

[emthree4me]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

I don't care what you think, no offense I just don't.

I'm just stating that given that much money I could do so. I also stated that I'd still prefer an M3, regardless of how fast any 335i could be.

It's a forum. Deal with the occasional "poor etiquette".

Ive only been in the forum for a short while, but seems like loyalist has to deal with alot of personal deamons.
As I've said in the other thread loyal!
Trade In that 335 of yours if you are having alot of difficulities realizing a 335is will never be a M3.
As others have said if you bought a car to just keep on modding it to make it feel like the other, then you bought the Wrong Car.
Deal with it and suck it up man ad stop making M3post a misearable place to live in

[knifegun]

Originally Posted by Driver72

I have no doubt that what you guys are saying in the few posts above is true. There IS a reason an M is an M.
There would be ZERO reasons to buy an M car if it didn't feel significantly different than the non-M models.

Even though I have never had the opportunity to really drive an e46 or e9x M3 (though I surely could take one on a "test drive" if desired) I can only imagine it's like driving any high performance version of other cars.
AMG's feel better and different then regular MB's
Even Type R Honda cars feel better and different than regular Honda's.

I'm sure it's a lot like the difference in feel between a 335i with sports package and a 328i without sports package. That's night and day and I'm sure the difference between the stock 335i and stock M3 is at least that much different and improved.

But saying all that doesn't diminish the greatness of the 335i for being a "regular" car. It's still the benchmark of all other entry level luxury performance cars. And in many cases out handles some manufacturers high performance models (335i will take an S4 out on a track and probably run close to the RS4 on many tracks).

It also doesn't take away from the great acceleration easily attainable by the N54 engine with just a tune. Matching (and in some cases beating) the stock M3 in acceleration with a simple $629 tune (or around $400 for the nonplug and play version) is pretty remarkable.

I don't have any other work done to my 335i. But would welcome and be greatful to any e9x M3 owner who'd want to meet up and swap cars for a little bit just to feel the difference in both cars. Of course, not to beat on each others cars and risk accident or anything, just to appreciate the differences in both cars.

Cheers.

I complete agree that the 335i is a stellar car. Especially for being considered a sporty luxury car. The handling of all BMWs has always been exceptional and the power of the 335 especially tuned in undeniable. I have a 2000 328Ci and I was happy with it even when the next year the top of the line non-M car had considerable more power. But at the end of the day, there is so much to consider. Let's say that for example, for 10K less, you could match the performance of an M3 in every aspect including feel (which I don't think is feasible but for argument sake...) by tuning the 335. At the end of the day, the exterior looks the same. There is just so much more to an M3 than performance. It is visual, emotional and will hold its resale value out of the box.

Trust me....if I could not get an M3, I would be VERY happy with a 335i w/o mods. But I would never trade down. I would rather go a complete different direction like just getting a 550.