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08-14-2010, 04:51 PM | #23 | |
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As with most Audi fans, their backup argument is always "yeah, but the Audi gives you more confidence in adverse weather conditions." I don't doubt that this is true, but can't think of too many people who would want to "push the envelope" on wet pavement with nice cars such as the RS5 or M3, regardless of whether it has AWD or not. Therefore, I think the whole (Audi has more everyday useability" is an overrated-concession prize to otherwise losing out on most head-to-head comparison tests. Just my opinion... |
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Even Quattro, as technologically great of a system as it is, cannot repeal the laws of physics (and why, once again, for whatever Audi gains with Quattro (great all-weather handling), it loses with handling (greater tendancy for understeer, less ability to perform sudden directional changes/slalom, etc.). This is exactly why a lot of people were skeptical of the RS5's ability to out-perform the M3 even before it came out... |
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08-14-2010, 05:49 PM | #27 | |
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What I don't understand is why people get on this forum and try to bash the M3. It's comical. Prior to my decision to go with the M3, I was on an Audi forum talking with people about the S4, and there was not ONE SINGLE M3 promoter / S4 basher on that site. I guess success breeds contempt, or something like that.
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Maybe some mag should actually consider using the E93 M3 in their comparison test. You know, just to give the RS5 a fighting chance. Let the Audi guys have a win, just for once.
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Its incredible the BMW haters on the Audi forums and the Audi haters on the BMW forums. What I don't understand is WHY do people even buy Audis in areas that never see snow?? Are they scared to drive in rain? If I didnt have snow here I would never ever consider an Audi. Because I want quattro for winter I picked an S4 over a 335i X drive. I wanted the newest tech and different interior from my M3. Powerful quattros are nowhere near the excitement and fun of powerful rear wheel drives.
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The RS5 is a great car, no doubt, but it is clear it is not better than the M3. The looks may attract some buyers but the price will keep others away too. I have to admit, if it was materially better than the M3 performance wise, I might have been a little envious given how stunning the car looks. I love the current M3 not just because it was an amazing car when it was released but because it is still the best option in its class 3, 4 maybe 5 years later!! That is an amazing accomplishment for BMW.
If the next M3 is the car it "should" be and materially better than the E9X, it will continue the reign for many years. For all of BMW's warts, it always seems to get the M3 right.
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It's weird how track time comparisons are "meaningless" to a lot of people while it is the same people who say that the M3 is the better car because it goes around the track quicker.
I'm not saying that the RS5 is a better car simply _because_ it's slower around the various tracks. Now I know it's the E93 on the Knutstrop time, but nearly 2 seconds? Anyhow, nearly all comparison test seem to go in the M3's favour and I respect that. As someone mentioned, I am surprised how the RS5 isn't quicker than the E92 M3. They'be had all the time in the world to prepare and you can't just put it down to the ZCP cos there's no real difference between that and the non-ZCP. In all seriousness, I think they've not taken a step forward - at least tracktime-wise - from the old RS4. At least not a significant one considering the time they've spent. To say this is typical of Audi is unfair, I feel. The R8 is a very quick car around the track (and they took their sweet time putting a V10 in it). For the RS5 I don't know what they've been spending their development time on. I feel a little sad that the next gen M3 appears to have nothing to compete with except for the current one. FWIW, Audi seems to be steering into something of a niche-filling nightmare. As CAR magazine reports, Audi now have 35 different vehicle models and are aiming for 42 separate car ranges I fear this sort of over expansion will only dilute the breed. Oh well.... |
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people ask me if I like my bmw better than my audi. I tell them I like the car better, but I like audi as a brand better. It attracts less morons.
i hate the brand bmw for what people have made it. cars are great, but the followers... are not |
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But tracktimes are meaningless when not done in the same conditions or same driver. A compilation of times is largely meaningless. A shoot-out done on the same day is VERY relevant. |
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If I live more north I'd consider a Quattro. Don't see the point in 'hating' (man, that's such an overrused word!) either brilliant marque. I like to see the M3 come out on top but I wouldn't get my knickers in a knot if the RS5 won a comparo. And didn't EVO pick the RS4 > M3 in 2007?
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First, I have total respect for Audi products. My dream car is the R8 v10 right now. I would take that over any other car if I have that money to spend (yes even over a Ferrari, Lambo, etc).
I also come from a long history with Audis, having owned or driven many of their cars in the last 15 years including the Coupe Quattro, A4s, S4s, S6s, S8s, A6 4.2, RS4, RS6, TT, and R8 (only the V8 version). I live in the Northeast, where we do get snow and all sorts of crappy weather. I only started buying the BMW brand, but I must say that I would prefer the drive of BMW's rear-wheel drive, sport driven cars, over Audi's right now. Even in the snow (with a good set of winter tires). To me, the drive-ability/sportness of BMWs are just better then Audi right now. After driving Quattro for many years, I totally dig the rear-wheel drive aspects of cars like the M3. So while the RS5 is still a great car, and lets be honest, its one hot-looking car, - it will never surpass the M3 but maybe match it in certain criteria. For the M3 to do so well against a new model is a great testament to BMW, no matter how you try to spin the 'which car is better argument'. Now if BMW can only build a R8 fighter.....
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^ I'm with you, BMW should make it's own supercar, the new M1 or something along the lines, I've seen plenty of prototypes, but they never make the cut
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