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consensus seems to be that SMG was better on the track then street. DCT is better on the street than the track.
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So M-DCT sucking ass on the track?
Well, my friend with his M3 DCT will be hitting the track this Wednesday. I will check with his to see if he has the same problem.
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This is what I have been saying all along.I had the same issue with my wifes DSG GTI on track and I guess its inconsistancy in downshifting under braking on track was also related to its ABS operation.At least with my 6 speed M/T M3 i can select the gear I want when I need it.
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well since I track a lot - I prefer one that does BOTH well.....MT!
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I ran into some problems at the autocross doing 3->2 downshifts. I have the camera and data logger in the car but have not had a chance to look at the data yet. Will post details once I procees the data.
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No consensus yet, due to not enough data.
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07-21-2008, 06:07 PM | #52 |
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Enigma has reported problems on the 3->2 downshift on the track as well. Ugh.
Last edited by swamp2; 07-22-2008 at 01:37 PM.. Reason: Ugh... thought that was a different thread...it is right above... |
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Any chance different S modes effect the downshift ability at all.
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The put an off switch on DSC for a reason. Its to let experienced drivers do maneuvers under safe conditions that would normally be considered "out of control".
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I like speculation, I personally use it a lot. Enimga, This could be another case of the new M3's role having shifted from pure road racer to a more luxury everyday replacement with a fair bit of sportiness thrown in for good measure. P.S. That's another bit of speculation. |
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-DSC: On, off or M? -Drivelogic mode? -Differences if this behavior based on the above? |
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S6 when I had the problems. I used D5 later for my best time. I didn't try the lower S modes. I should be specific. By problem was not an ignored shift. 3 times when I attempted to downshift from 3->2 it went into 6th or 7th instead.
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Out of curiousity where were you in the rev range when you tried 3 -> 2? I wonder if this is BMW trying to protect the drivetrain? (see the BMW USA disaster in the M5 6MT and no DSC off initially)
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Although I have not been a the track yet, I'm still waiting for a M-DCT TCU software update. Good luck trying to get you local service guy to listen. Let us know with an update if they will take a report. Take them out and scare the s%^$ out of them if they won't! |
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Secondly, I had no problem upshifting during long drifts transitioning from 2nd to 3rd gear. Finally, I find it kind of ironic that the BMW promo video that we all saw before the DCT was available made a huge amount of its ability to shift during cornering causing no loss of momentum or balance to the vehicle. If they have now engineered in this "safey" facility that would be pretty sad IMO. I could understand it if they left this in on certain modes, but it should be possible for the driver to communicate to the vehicle that "YES I WANT FULL MANUAL CONTROL EVEN IF THIS CAUSES VEHICLE INSTABILITY".........restrict it to S6/DSC off if you will but teh current situation is unacceptable IMO. |
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Shouldnt be really......I mean the computer can rev match more perfectly than any human so drivetrain shock shouldnt be an issue. Also, I have experienced the problem in situations where I had a friend watching my rev counter to make sure it wasn't just the computer preventing a money shift (which it will). Mick |
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