NT01 track use and Alignment

acidandroid · 03-24-2015, 06:46 PM

Hi guys

i have a set of NT01 for track use only, track is about 140miles away from my city
if i drive to the track with NT01 (all highway miles), would it shorten its grippy performance life?
reason i ask is because i thought these tire go out of traction long before the tread wear out
so smooth highway driving shouldn't put too much heat cycle on the tire and thus doesn't really wear out it's traction life for track right?

just want to get the most out of the tires, but a bit lazy to change wheels at the track

My current alignment:
front
-1.3 camber 0 toe
rear
-1.5 camber 0 toe

it should be ok for street tires?
shop tells me rear 0 toe would wear street tires like crazy

thanks!

1MOREMOD · 03-24-2015, 07:28 PM

Nt01s don't heat cycle out. They are best at the point they cord. You will shorten their life by driving that far on street but won't heat them hardly at all on the street. May also have serious pucker moments if you get caught in the rain.

acidandroid · 03-24-2015, 08:21 PM

i see!
thanks for the reply,
lap time actually get faster as tread wears out? due to larger contact patch area or the compound is actually stickier closer to the cord?

my alignment shouldn't be too aggressive for the street right?
shop keeps telling 0 toe in the rear will wear out the tires in no time??

roastbeef · 03-24-2015, 08:39 PM

i'm just about in the same boat... track is about 120 miles from me and i don't want to deal with packing all my tires away and bringing the crap i need to change them out.

acidandroid · 03-24-2015, 09:26 PM

another thing, i got a set of bolt-on roll bar sitting around
i'd like to put that in so it's easier to run the harness
with that thing in the car, there's no way to pack all 4 tires + tools
(already delete rear seats)

1MOREMOD · 03-24-2015, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidandroid

i see!
thanks for the reply,
lap time actually get faster as tread wears out? due to larger contact patch area or the compound is actually stickier closer to the cord?

my alignment shouldn't be too aggressive for the street right?
shop keeps telling 0 toe in the rear will wear out the tires in no time??

Not stickier I don't think just larger contact with no tread. Usually want slight toe in at the rear. Not that big of a deal to swap tires but it's a slippery slope and pretty soon you have a trailer and dedicated track car.

acidandroid · 03-25-2015, 01:23 AM

i've been through that slippery slope before when i was in the states haha
but never got a trailer, could not afford one, or all cash goes into the car lol

anyways, i'll take ur advice and bring wheels and change them at the track
hope space is still enough when i want to install the half cage

BUT.....for E92 M3
0 toe -1.5 camber for the rear, does it detroy tires quickly or it's acceptable??

1MOREMOD · 03-25-2015, 01:25 AM

I'm not alignment expert but that isn't too much camber for rear.

gt3fever · 03-25-2015, 08:11 AM

street driven doesn't count as heat cycle. used to drive to track 300 miles round trip( slightly toe out front, toe in rear),along with your setting, you'll be fine

SYT_Shadow · 03-25-2015, 08:17 AM

You seem to lack some camber in the front. -2.5 is where most E9Xs are

TXmtrhed · 03-25-2015, 08:19 AM

Set your rear toe to OEM specs, it should be the same for track use. Should be slightly toe-in. You may not have enough front camber for those tires.

Longboarder · 03-25-2015, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Not that big of a deal to swap tires but it's a slippery slope and pretty soon you have a trailer and dedicated track car.

So true. Don't want to use my X5 to tow so I'm looking at an Explorer Sport. And of course a tune for the ecoboost v6 (tow tune and 91 tune) wtf is wrong with us does it ever end?

1MOREMOD · 03-25-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Longboarder

So true. Don't want to use my X5 to tow so I'm looking at an Explorer Sport. And of course a tune for the ecoboost v6 (tow tune and 91 tune) wtf is wrong with us does it ever end?

No it doesn't got the x5d and jbd tune and tows easily.

admranger · 03-25-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Longboarder

So true. Don't want to use my X5 to tow so I'm looking at an Explorer Sport. And of course a tune for the ecoboost v6 (tow tune and 91 tune) wtf is wrong with us does it ever end?

X5 is a super capable tow vehicle due to the short overhang and excellent vehicle dynamics (it's a BMW afterall). I'd rather tow with an X5 than an Exploder. Only use the factory hitch on the X5 though.

OP, get some toe in at the rear for high speed cornering stability and get some more camber up front. NT-01s seem to want about -3 up front iirc (+/-)

Sleeper519 · 03-25-2015, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Nt01s don't heat cycle out. They are best at the point they cord. You will shorten their life by driving that far on street but won't heat them hardly at all on the street. May also have serious picker moments if you get caught in the rain.

Agree. If it rains hard you have to just pull over under a bridge and take a nap til it stops.

I would also worry about picking up a nail or something on the highway in the track tires.

1MOREMOD · 03-25-2015, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeper519

Agree. If it rains hard you have to just pull over under a bridge and take a nap til it stops.

I would also worry about picking up a nail or something on the highway in the track tires.

I drove home on them once being lazy and had the other set to switch back to. Caught in rain and braved it out but about shit a couple times.

WarrantyTracker · 03-26-2015, 10:16 AM

Get camber plates and set the front camber at -2.5 if you want an all-around street/track setting. If you're willing to reset camber at the track every time, use - 1.5 street/ -3 track.

Something in the -1.5 to -1.8 range of camber for the rear is good enough for track and street.

I haven't used NT01's yet but on other soft tires (Cups) I've seen it's easy to cord the tires fast on a hot day at the track with stock front camber range.

Also, the E92 is an amazingly neutral track car, but it doesn't turn in so great. Negative 2.5 camber on the front with stickier tires helps a lot and makes it more fun. But even stock, it's still plenty damn fun!

nicksm3 · 03-27-2015, 06:19 AM

I was running -2 in the rear and -2.7 upfront...and drove my car for around 3,5k miles during last summer...wasn't bad at all! Tire wear was minimal, hardly noticeable ..was rocking NT05's also wasn't driving aggressive on the street..
Your good with those alignment settings bud.

magus4286 · 03-27-2015, 10:23 AM

Another data point for you on the alignment. I run an E90 M3 on Toyo RA1's, which are pretty similar to the NT01 (both 100 TW and actually the same company, so the rating should really be comparable).

F: -3.4 deg, 0 toe
R: -2.3 deg, .21 deg total toe (in)

That represents maxed out Vorshlag camber plates up front and the stock rear maxed out as well. I've found that has really done well in the on track tire wear department so far.

Definitely think about getting yourself some more camber. Before adding camber I was destroying the shoulders on street tires with even more front camber than you have right now. You'll save yourself a lot of money over time (and have more grip!) with the right alignment. I've found that the front tires really don't wear badly even on the street with that camber as long as you run no toe.

As already said, you also really want some rear toe in for stability. That's even specified in the factory alignment.

The one other thing to keep in mind about driving the softer tires on public roads for long distances is that they'll pick up more debris because of the softer rubber. But if it's what you've got, it's what you've got and is unlikely to be a serious issue.

nicksm3 · 03-27-2015, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magus4286

Another data point for you on the alignment. I run an E90 M3 on Toyo RA1's, which are pretty similar to the NT01 (both 100 TW and actually the same company, so the rating should really be comparable).

F: -3.4 deg, 0 toe
R: -2.3 deg, .21 deg total toe (in)

That represents maxed out Vorshlag camber plates up front and the stock rear maxed out as well. I've found that has really done well in the on track tire wear department so far.

Definitely think about getting yourself some more camber. Before adding camber I was destroying the shoulders on street tires with even more front camber than you have right now. You'll save yourself a lot of money over time (and have more grip!) with the right alignment. I've found that the front tires really don't wear badly even on the street with that camber as long as you run no toe.

As already said, you also really want some rear toe in for stability. That's even specified in the factory alignment.

The one other thing to keep in mind about driving the softer tires on public roads for long distances is that they'll pick up more debris because of the softer rubber. But if it's what you've got, it's what you've got and is unlikely to be a serious issue.

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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	Nt01s don't heat cycle out. They are best at the point they cord. You will shorten their life by driving that far on street but won't heat them hardly at all on the street. May also have serious pucker moments if you get caught in the rain. Last edited by 1MOREMOD; 03-25-2015 at 07:13 PM..
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acidandroid Enlisted Member 12 Rep 40 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Taiwan iTrader: (0)	i see! thanks for the reply, lap time actually get faster as tread wears out? due to larger contact patch area or the compound is actually stickier closer to the cord? my alignment shouldn't be too aggressive for the street right? shop keeps telling 0 toe in the rear will wear out the tires in no time??
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acidandroid Enlisted Member 12 Rep 40 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Taiwan iTrader: (0)	another thing, i got a set of bolt-on roll bar sitting around i'd like to put that in so it's easier to run the harness with that thing in the car, there's no way to pack all 4 tires + tools (already delete rear seats)
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acidandroid Enlisted Member 12 Rep 40 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Taiwan iTrader: (0)	i've been through that slippery slope before when i was in the states haha but never got a trailer, could not afford one, or all cash goes into the car lol anyways, i'll take ur advice and bring wheels and change them at the track hope space is still enough when i want to install the half cage BUT.....for E92 M3 0 toe -1.5 camber for the rear, does it detroy tires quickly or it's acceptable??
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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	I'm not alignment expert but that isn't too much camber for rear.
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gt3fever Major 77 Rep 1,232 Posts Drives: 992 GT3, G87 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Socal, Taiwan iTrader: (15)	street driven doesn't count as heat cycle. used to drive to track 300 miles round trip( slightly toe out front, toe in rear),along with your setting, you'll be fine
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SYT_Shadow ///M Powered for Life 11490 Rep 10,329 Posts Drives: E90M/E92M/M4GTS/M4GT4/X5M Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Greenwich, CT iTrader: (2)	You seem to lack some camber in the front. -2.5 is where most E9Xs are
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TXmtrhed First Lieutenant 37 Rep 381 Posts Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Katy, TX iTrader: (0)	Set your rear toe to OEM specs, it should be the same for track use. Should be slightly toe-in. You may not have enough front camber for those tires.
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WarrantyTracker Track? What Track? I was just riding along . . . 46 Rep 694 Posts Drives: Alpine White E92 M3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: An Undisclosed Location iTrader: (1)	Get camber plates and set the front camber at -2.5 if you want an all-around street/track setting. If you're willing to reset camber at the track every time, use - 1.5 street/ -3 track. Something in the -1.5 to -1.8 range of camber for the rear is good enough for track and street. I haven't used NT01's yet but on other soft tires (Cups) I've seen it's easy to cord the tires fast on a hot day at the track with stock front camber range. Also, the E92 is an amazingly neutral track car, but it doesn't turn in so great. Negative 2.5 camber on the front with stickier tires helps a lot and makes it more fun. But even stock, it's still plenty damn fun!
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nicksm3 Colonel 969 Rep 2,433 Posts Drives: e92 m3 Competition Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Westchester NY iTrader: (6)	I was running -2 in the rear and -2.7 upfront...and drove my car for around 3,5k miles during last summer...wasn't bad at all! Tire wear was minimal, hardly noticeable ..was rocking NT05's also wasn't driving aggressive on the street.. Your good with those alignment settings bud.
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