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A more technical term, used by folks who actually work at car companies in design and engineering, which refers to the entire section of A/B/C pillars and all of the vehicles glass. Sorry, too much jargon perhaps. Quote:
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05-14-2010, 04:42 AM | #46 | |
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I'm not justifying anything. I'm stating facts. I find it when fanboi's streeeeeettttccchh to the greatest of lengths to put other competing cars down rather than just accept the fact that there are a ton of great ones out there. This thread was going along nicely until you got butthurt and posted your nonsense. You haven't driven a post '08 Z06 otherwise you would know that the tranny has been upgraded. You want to talk about a clunky transmission....see SMG in the E46 (both versions) and the DCT is nothing to write home about either (see countless threads on THIS VERY forum as to it's suckiness). Don't try to blow sunshine up my ass about how great the reliability, build quality, etc. of ANY modern day BMW. I've owned plenty of them and have seen first hand they do not carry the panache nor the quality they used to. Having said that I do still think they are the best driver's cars across their entire line of any manufacturer. Who ever mentioned anything about affording either of these cars? Do you suffer self esteem/inferiority issues on other topics as well? C6Vette inferior to M3?....that's rich dude. I'm done trying to have a logical discussion with guys like you (see M3 nutswingers). |
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41, no kids and looking for a great driving V8 car. The C6 GS was one of my three candidates, up until I drove my best friends C6 Z06: very fast, great looks, good gas mileage, but in the end, I didn't enjoy driving it at all: the car was raw, it had a bone jarring suspension, an awfully cheap interior, car feels BIG, I mean...BIG! from inside, and the handling was very unforgiving. It was no brainer for me: the M3 excels where the Vette fails.
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You asked for my opinion on the Vet and I gave you mine; if you don't like it, then I recommend you go to the Vet forum. If you feel all of my comments about the Vet are somehow false, then you are fooling yourself and only you will find out how shitty (but fast) a Vet really is when you buy it. Personally, if I were to buy a purpose built car, one that only has two seats, rides like shit and is only really good for a track and not a DD, then there are several other cars I would choose (i.e., GT3). Obviously the Vet has good qualities and bad ones; all cars do. To me, the Vet has more negative ones than good ones although none have to do with performance (it is a very fast car). The only reason I brought up the price thing was to point out that considering the Vet is a great bargain, many of us chose to go with something else, and that alone should tell you something. Yes, the Vet looks mean as hell in that picture. However, it has no class or prestige. Personally, if I pulled up to a clients office in a Vet like that, I would be embarrassed. With an M3, you can track it one day and drive to a board meeting the next. It is the versatility of the M3 that makes it so great. BTW, hope you get your Vet soon and enjoy it. Let us know how your first Vet meet goes ; I think you may need an AARP card to attend J/K -SZ Last edited by SUB-ZERO; 05-14-2010 at 08:40 AM.. |
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Guys this is not a pissing contest. We are all entitled to our opinions so let's leave it at that.
Serge, you are describing exactly how I felt when I drove the vette 2 years ago. It feels big, but incredibly capable. I love that the car sits low to the ground and stays flat through the turns. But now that I think about it, my complaints with my E46M was that I thought it was a little big I've now decided to throw in the Z4M into the ring, which I view as a hybrid of the E46M and C6. I can maintain some creature comforts but with a very sports car feel.
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I think the exterior shape of the c6 z06 is iconic and is better than gt3, m3, etc in term of aggresiveness, but only in black color because the fitment/lines are very crude. in another word, it doesn't flow smoothly or have refinement like the m3 or gt3 body. I don't like the look of the grandsport, regular c6, and all the old c5.
the only thing i don't like about the vette is the seat and steering wheel which don't look good and feel a bit low rent. You can change the seat to recaro but you loose the side airbag which is a deal breaker. There is no aftermarket steering wheel that maintains the front airbag, so that is an issue if you drive the car on the street. those are the only thing that hold me back from getting a c6 z06. |
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05-16-2010, 02:47 PM | #56 | |
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Here is an excellent article on this topic:
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We are comparing 2 different vehicles here, they are are both great cars depending on your preference.
M3 has great build quality and seats 4, and stellar performance, is easy to drive fast. The Vettes, in all trims, are outstanding performers, with the higher end models being in the supercar realm, difficult to drive fast but once you master it, it is very rewarding. My only complaint is the seats and door panels, I personally like the dash layout and the HUD, the HUD is very useful in track conditions. |
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Yup the only reservations i have with the GS is the interior. Im gonna give it a couple more weeks to be sure but i think i've made my decision.
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I'm someone who has been looking for something that is a little more hard-edged and athletic than my 335i (which I love, btw).
I would strongly urge you to also test drive a slightly used C6 Z06, a 2007 model or later. You are going to be absolutely dumbfounded by how General Motors was able to make such a powerful car so civil to drive day in and day out. I've stayed away from Corvettes my whole life because I frankly feel they're rather tacky but after experiencing a Z06 that has changed. The differences between an M3 and a Z06 in terms of performance is shocking. Yes, the fit and finish isn't as nice, the interior looks cheap (get a NAV unit, it freshens things up a lot), and it is was really hard for me to get used to just how long the hood was....the car just has different proportions to what we're used to. But jesus...that car is just so go**amned fast it makes the M3 look like a boulevard cruiser. Absolute zero chance of anything short of a GT-R to keep up with it. And frankly the Z06 is going to be cheaper to own, cheaper to maintain, and will take much more of a beating than our sophisticated German cars ever will. After driving an e90 M3 and a Z06 back to back I completely and immediately checked the M3 off of my list. What I'm struggling with is if I am willing to give up the luxury and utility of my 335 for a 2 seater like the Corvette. There's also the issue of tires, I recommend checking the prices of replacement tires for the Z06...I think they're something like 335/35/19 in the back. Not cheap. My advice is to drive as many cars as you can to get a feel. |
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You make some good points. Long term the vettes should be cheaper to maintain and keep in top shape relative to the german cars. The corvette nav is still a dvd-based system so im not sure i would go with it, but plenty of people have done the aftermarket thing with success. I've been following the corvette ever since the C6 first debuted and i've never come this close to buying one before.
I've thought about the C6 Z06. There are at least 200+ new '09 and '10 Z06s on dealer lots right now so im sure we can get smoking deals on them, but im confident the Z06 is not for me. Above all i want to have the option to take the roof off. I can't deal with a convertible but a removable top is a good compromise that i don't want to give up. Plus i don't want the extra power and cost. The maintenance cost will likely be the same but im ok with that.
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In your opinion. To the OP, I DD my Z and love it. I rarely run into anything the street that can even come close to the straight line performance of my car, much less something that can lose me through some turns. I am 27, not 47, so give me the bone jarring ride and road noise. It is completely worth it when I hit my HPDE's and compete for FTD on any given day with street tires.
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I will agree, a Vette of any kind is more DD'able than virtually any dedicated sportscar out there. I did not use either of mine as a DD but the ride was nice enough to do such. |
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