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10-02-2009, 07:09 PM | #46 |
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In gear times are not very meaningful in the real world. This is the same type of data that big proponents of aftermarket diffs with higher FD ratios like to get confused about. Sometimes a diff helps with overall multi-gear acceleration but other times it can only help in gear numbers.
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To be fair on some of the tracks the margin is quite significant, roughly 3 seconds per minute. If that kept up it would be the good part of 1/2 minute on the N'Ring. That being said, I don't really side with footie on the R8 vs. M3. The cars are close enough in drag type performance and on the track that it is pretty much a drivers race. And for the cost of the R8 that is not really acceptable.
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There's no data as yet for the TT-RS on the ring but a pretty good guess will place it somewhere close to the M3 - RS4 time band, if it does worse than that then the track conditions on the day were less favourable and if it does better then the same could be true about the other two cars. I happen to like the overall look and feel of the TT and the RS only heightens this even more, but for me I couldn't justify the lack of space, heaven knows I did try before I bought the Jag. One thing I am sure of, if any of you get a chance to experience the TT-RS you will love the engine/exhaust note, especially if your old enough to remember the Quattro rally cars. Quote:
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The fact that the 2 are so close on N'Ring leads me to believe that tires are a big part of the difference, because the M3 had upgraded rubber for its 8:05 run. Not taking anything away from the R8, but part of the reason it has the upper hand on all the tracks footie posted has to be rubber. The Hockenheim short track would be a case where it was still appreciably faster than the M3 on the cup tires.
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a more suitable comparison is the new zxm (assume bmw make it) and the ttrs |
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I checked it up and it was P Zero Corsas (235/35 19 front, 295/30 19 rear).
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If you think that people don't cross shop in a price bracket of 12~13% then you are seriously mistaken but I would agree that anything north of 20% is highly unlikely. |
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Honestly, I don't think more than a very low percentage of M3 buyers would consider the TT-RS.
M3 is cross shopped with: C63, IS-F, RS4, maybe CTS-V, and then on the lower performance end S4/S5 and 335. TT-RS is cross shopped with: Boxster/Cayman, Z4, SLK, 370Z, Corvette |
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An example of how extreme these car affect the decision process I have a friend who has sold his E46 M3 and has looked at an Aston, an R8, an RS6 and a Carrera S. How diverse can you get. |
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10-05-2009, 04:16 AM | #64 | |
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If it's real life then sorry swamp but you are miles off, in-gear times are the only thing that counts, not true acceleration through the gears but what happens when you plant it in a given gear because that is how we all drive in the give and take of daily driving. Either way the TT-RS stands up very well against the M3 given it's down 85hp. |
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Foot, I'm reading the current Road & Track issue (lips moving, as usual), and when checking out the data panel re a comparison between the TT-S and 135i, I notice that the Audi runs the quarter mile in 13.2 seconds @ 105 mph (under the usual U.S. one-foot rollout "rules"). Well hell, adding 70 HP with maybe a two or three percent weight penalty gives me around 113 mph for a quarter mile trap speed, which is about what a healthy M3 does - with a given that the Audi will ET better with awd and turbo torque. At a guess, the TT-S might fall behind a bit on the 'Ring's higher speed bits, but it'll surely give the M3 fits around any tighter courses. In short, I think you're probably spot on. The TT-RS will be a fully competitive machine, performance-wise. Y'know, back a few years when Piech said that Audi was going to chase BMW in the performance wars, I was a little skeptical about the outcome - but it sure looks as if Audi has caught up, with a good potential for pulling ahead. Who woulda thunk it? Bruce PS - The Audi handily won the comparison. |
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Interesting that the TT-S performed so well, much better than we achieve here in the UK, so maybe we aren't as skilled at launching car as you guys are. P.S. Not at all surprised that the TT-S won the test, it is a wonderful little coupe with mountains of grip and a punchy little engine. What was the times and speed for the 135i? |
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