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So, today I was wondering what other cars out there are like. I read alot about cars, but my own experience has given me a subjective quality I think is the most important: Smooth performance.
My first car was an old ass suburban, it was a POS and the doors didn't work anymore, nor did the AC or radio volume knob. My second was a 6 speed MT 05 mustang, I purchased myself and it was another POS. It was brand new and over time erroded and died. Its resale was pitiful and everything rattled. I literally will never buy a Ford product again, and when I see a mustang I literally cringe and sometimes even get a sick to my stomach feeling because I hated the car that much. It was the absolute opposite of smooth. My Nissan 370z (sport package, 6-MT) was next, I purchased it new and it was an entire new level of car. It was smooth up to a certain point (read: the entire upper band of its RPMs) and I loved mastering the handling and acceleration nuances of the car. The only downside was the tractor-like roar it had which made the whole car feel unstable and rough at the higher-end of the RPMs. I would definitely buy a japanese car again; but I really hope the engine characteristics are just the Z car...not all powerful V6s. My current BMW M3 I feel has that amazing engine feel and the quiet refined feel. It is the next level. Very solid. I do miss the lightweightness of the 370z as well, however. Other than extreme exotics, are there other cars that can deliver the same feel of a smooth high reving engine (m3), small light weight (370z), and the refined quietness in the cabin? I was thinking the only thing that comes close is the cayman or gt3 variants of the porsche. I've also heard good things about the S2000. I say this because I was thinking about getting a track dedicated car that I can street as well, with the m3 being my DD and occasional tracker. Last edited by Chemicals; 04-09-2012 at 07:17 AM.. |
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370Z is not that light.
Try a Cayman S, although I am not sure you will still call it refined after the M3 experience. (But that might be a good thing). Or a 996 S, they're cheap these days.
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What about an M coupe? Or too close to the Z?
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I love the idea of the M Coupe. It is just so amazingly ugly to me, I could never drive it. I really think its hideous and I feel bad about that because I figured i'd love it if I drove it.
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I have an E90 M3 and a new Cayman R. When I get out of my Cayman and in to the M, I feel like I'm driving a sloppy cadillac. I used to think the M was so efficient, smooth and controlled. Then I drove a Porsche. They are the next level of smooth and controlled; however, it does take a little seat time truly appreciate the differences. The M is still the ultimate all around car for DD and track work, but I'm not limited to that right now. So I am lucky enough to DD the M and use the Cayman on the track.
On a side note, don't be so quick to discount the power of the Cayman. I used to do that too. I always thought it was too weak for the price you pay, but this car has some hefty power curves and the weight is 700-900 lbs lighter than an M. Even though the peak power isn't as high as a Corvette or Mustang, the power under the curve is quite strong. This may explain why it's actually just as fast to 60 as the M is. Since I have both, I can compare the two quite well and I think the acceleration probably goes to my R just by a little bit. But then again, my M is loaded with all of the heavy options. All it took was a random Saturday test drive in a Spyder to change my mind about the power and ultimately get me to consider the Cayman for a track car. |
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1. High revving engine
2. Light weight 3. Refined cabin If the other practicalities the M3 offers are not an issue for you then I'd say Cayman R. Power to weight ratio makes up for the lack of outright hp.
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how light can you get an e92 m3 coupe without significantly disturbing the interior? Like, basically replacing the two front seats, keeping the back ones, and making only body/parts modifications to reduce weight further?
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Frankly, if you add $15k to the cost of an M3 you end up in 997.2 territory, which already has all the performance/weight from the factory. I'm just not sure it's worth it, unless you absolutely have to drive a BMW. The beauty of the M3 is its balance between the performance and comfort attributes. No sense trying to push it too much in either direction, IMO.
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I got the weight from getting the car corner balanced last week.
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Maybe the earth's gravity shifted for a moment while I got the car corner balanced last week.
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Or you've saved 50lbs or so with your exhaust, brakes and wheels.
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Well I did mention the exhaust in my first post. Wheels are stock. Also had a baby seat in the back.
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Well my baby seat is made of helium.
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I'm actually thinking I might want an e46 m3 to just mess around in.
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I honestly don't think there is another car that can compare itself to an M3. The M3 is impressive and very high performing for a 4 seating DD-able car. While in the category of a small size high performance vehicle there are other contenders, even those cars don't feel close to an M3.
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