Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

[crypticc]

Originally Posted by TTO898

Nope. None at all. Car was running just fine, but the engine did lock up about 2 weeks before and the car turned off and left me stranded on the side of the road. After some digging, they found that the alternator had shorted out and they replaced the battery. During that same procedure they did an oil service on my car since it was due, and this happened about 2 hours after I picked it up from the dealer. They also mentioned that my crankcase seal had blown and was leaking.

2 hours after service a clue? Could the car have been run without oil by mistake for a bit ?

[TTO898]

Diagnostic showed the level being normal, although with the lack of a dipstick you can never really tell.

[Scrippy]

My engine developed a constant noticeable tap at 40,000. It's clearly not a heat shield, leaky manifold gasket or anything else. All the people that downplay this issue are in denial. I take great care if my M3 and I love this brand. My disappointment is how the "DEALERSHIP" deals with this issue. They deny deny deny and say "machine functions as designed". It's bullshit to say this motor just taps. I didn't buy a >$54,000 dollar car that ticks because its bearings are not right. This is not "normal operation" of the S65! I let my car warm EVERY morning.....running late or not. Oil changes never exceed 8,000 miles. I suggest BMW man up and do it on failing motors ONE time per effected engine block. If you can't get 100,000 miles out of this motor with good care then it falls short of the industries standards and NHTSA or DOT should look at this. I'm fixing mine on my dime because I love this fucking car! I won't be a grenaded engine victim if I can help it.

[crypticc]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

My engine developed a constant noticeable tap at 40,000. It's clearly not a heat shield, leaky manifold gasket or anything else. All the people that downplay this issue are in denial. I take great care if my M3 and I love this brand. My disappointment is how the "DEALERSHIP" deals with this issue. They deny deny deny and say "machine functions as designed". It's bullshit to say this motor just taps. I didn't buy a >$54,000 dollar car that ticks because its bearings are not right. This is not "normal operation" of the S65! I let my car warm EVERY morning.....running late or not. Oil changes never exceed 8,000 miles. I suggest BMW man up and do it on failing motors ONE time per effected engine block. If you can't get 100,000 miles out of this motor with good care then it falls short of the industries standards and NHTSA or DOT should look at this. I'm fixing mine on my dime because I love this fucking car! I won't be a grenaded engine victim if I can help it.

Sorry to hear things may not be right. Let us all know what you find.

I hope when you say you let it warm every morning you mean while driving but going easy on the throttle. You should never warm a car engine up while stationary. I wait the first few seconds until the revs stabilises and no longer, and that's more because turning out of a parking space with unpredictable revs is tricky.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by crypticc

Sorry to hear things may not be right. Let us all know what you find.

I hope when you say you let it warm every morning you mean while driving but going easy on the throttle. You should never warm a car engine up while stationary. I wait the first few seconds until the revs stabilises and no longer, and that's more because turning out of a parking space with unpredictable revs is tricky.

Here is the whole story of Scrippy's S65 => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1129386

[Scrippy]

Originally Posted by crypticc

Sorry to hear things may not be right. Let us all know what you find.

I hope when you say you let it warm every morning you mean while driving but going easy on the throttle. You should never warm a car engine up while stationary. I wait the first few seconds until the revs stabilises and no longer, and that's more because turning out of a parking space with unpredictable revs is tricky.

I do let it warm. After the rough idle passes I'll drive. I usually give it 5-10 minutes to warm. And yes.....I drive like a grandma until temp is at operation level. I have done this with every car/truck I have owned. My Toyota Tundra made it to 1 million and I raced that thing in 10+ Best In The Desert series races. Warm up is essential to engine life. I feel it is paramount to warm up with the S65 because the god damn oil is like molasses.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by Scrippy

I do let it warm. After the rough idle passes I'll drive. I usually give it 5-10 minutes to warm. And yes.....I drive like a grandma until temp is at operation level. I have done this with every car/truck I have owned. My Toyota Tundra made it to 1 million and I raced that thing in 10+ Best In The Desert series races. Warm up is essential to engine life. I feel it is paramount to warm up with the S65 because the god damn oil is like molasses.

You're doing it wrong!!!! The S65 is a super exotic engine. It's actually almost a racing engine. The correct warmup procedure is to hire a team of highly trained mechanics and engineers to pump preheated oil and coolant through the engine for half an hour while connecting it to half a dozen laptop computers to monitor a few hundred engine parameters. This is the ONLY way to make sure your exotic racing-inspired engine lasts 100k miles without chewing up its bearings and shooting a rod through the block.

[MFKN3]

I forget what they're called but it would be good to see these engines with a pressure pump that primes the oil pressure before starting. I think most damage is done at cold start up due to .001" bearing clearance.

[Gabergab]

Hi everybody,

I would add my story to this thread
M3 e92 second hand production 11/2007 bought at 25.000 Km almost brand new. I used the car mainly for track day and freeway to and from tracks. at 65000 Km I blew the engine. (all regular bmw check) . My engine got replaced by BMW even I was 4 month off warranty (they paid for 70% of the engine). Therefore I got a 2010 engine. Now after 44.000 Km (7000 Km on tracks), changing oil every 2000-3000 Km (Castrol TWS) I replaced preventively my bearing and actually they were not so good. See the pictures

[javarithms]

Gabergab Do you see any copper exposed on the bearings? Also, what replacement bearing did you use?

[Gabergab]

Hi
No copper, I used oem bearings and new ARP bolt about half of the 44000 Km stock engine half tuned ,used mainly 100 octane RON

[JRV]

Originally Posted by Gabergab

Hi everybody,

I would add my story to this thread
M3 e92 second hand production 11/2007 bought at 25.000 Km almost brand new. I used the car mainly for track day and freeway to and from tracks. at 65000 Km I blew the engine. (all regular bmw check) . My engine got replaced by BMW even I was 4 month off warranty (they paid for 70% of the engine). Therefore I got a 2010 engine. Now after 44.000 Km (7000 Km on tracks), changing oil every 2000-3000 Km (Castrol TWS) I replaced preventively my bearing and actually they were not so good. See the pictures

I'm no mechanic but those don't look too bad to me. I would even say they appear to be leaning towards normal wear. Experts chime in...

[BMRLVR]

Originally Posted by JRV

I'm no mechanic but those don't look too bad to me. I would even say they appear to be leaning towards normal wear. Experts chime in...

Those bearings look ok for a set of bearings with say160,000 km on them but that is considerable wear for 44,000 km. As far as S65s are concerned though, those bearings look much better than the norm.

One thing that does look good is the fact that they are all worn roughly the same amount. To me it looks like that engine was pretty consistent from rod to rod where clearances were concerned.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Here just another "Internet Hysteria" that bites the dust => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...8#post18047088

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Here just another "Internet Hysteria" that bites the dust => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...8#post18047088

Que?.... recycling failures that happened over a year ago and have already been reported?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...6#post15843066

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Que?.... recycling failures that happened over a year ago and have already been reported?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...6#post15843066

Yep saw that , probably the cause is my "sleep deprivation"
Here you go and that counts for both of you guys => # 9 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...5#post18063925

[SenorFunkyPants]

No problem.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

No problem.

Received yesterday Email from Colorado ..
The video includes exactly the same ticking noises such as Srippy's and M3 RAGE !
Oughh...Luckely he has an extended warranty , but if they cover that's another story...

[Savage_M3]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Received yesterday Email from Colorado ..
The video includes exactly the same ticking noises such as Srippy's and M3 RAGE !
Oughh...Luckely he has an extended warranty , but if they cover that's another story...

In terms of extended warranty covering this repair, do you mean an aftermarket warranty or the one from BMW? Will BMW not preemptively replace bearings if there is an indication of potential failure?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Savage_M3

In terms of extended warranty covering this repair, do you mean an aftermarket warranty or the one from BMW? Will BMW not preemptively replace bearings if there is an indication of potential failure?

From most of the S65 noises BMW is saying mostly ...Normal S65 noises !
And only preventive replacement I never saw and never will , but when they hear the rattle noises and the car is still under BMW/Warranty they will replace the S65 with a rebuilt S65 , because in this stage the crank is probably damaged too and shavings are all over into the oil system .
Same thing with a black hole .
But with a tune or aftermarket exhaust it's nope even with BMW/Waranty , saw 2 weeks ago a case with ticking noises from (M 3 R A G E ) with an after market exhaust ..And the good guy needs a lawyer !
Imagine ,"BMW" ...

[douglee25]

How does an aftermarket exhaust void warranty? I still never understood that one.

Doesn't the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act apply to situations like that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by douglee25

How does an aftermarket exhaust void warranty? I still never understood that one.

Doesn't the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act apply to situations like that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act

Here you can read the whole story , and the good guy in trouble and went to a laywer => http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1130559