DCT 2 foot driving? Pedal extension possible?

[Kung Fu English]

Anyone (or everyone) do 2 foot driving in their DCT for racing?

I tried it half-assed a few weeks ago at an autocross. Seemed like it would be beneficial to learn but I had a really hard time positioning my feet. You see, my feet stick out (duck footed) fairly severely so twisting my knees to reach both pedals together is nearly impossible. I was basically turned onto my R hip the whole lap.

Is there a pedal extender or a wider brake pedal I can buy to make it easier to hit the brake pedal with my L foot?

Or should I just give up on 2 foot driving because it's not helpful?

[M3 Esq]

Left foot braking is definitely beneficial and a lot of racers do it. It's just faster when you don't have to move your right foot from the accelerator to the brake and back. You could just fit a bigger brake pedal from an auto 3 series if you think the DCT brake pedal is too small. I know people to this for manual cars too to help with heel and toe.

[Kung Fu English]

Originally Posted by M3 Esq

Left foot braking is definitely beneficial and a lot of racers do it. It's just faster when you don't have to move your right foot from the accelerator to the brake and back. You could just fit a bigger brake pedal from an auto 3 series if you think the DCT brake pedal is too small. I know people to this for manual cars too to help with heel and toe.

does it install pretty easy? I dont want to drill anything which is holding me back from most aftermarket pedals. I wouldn't mind something aftermarket for some more stickiness but I digress.

[ThunderMoose]

Someone said that E9x m3's with DCT actually cut out fuel when brake is pressed which if true would reduce the benefit. I believe custom performance makes a pedal though.

[M3 Esq]

Originally Posted by Kung Fu English

does it install pretty easy? I dont want to drill anything which is holding me back from most aftermarket pedals. I wouldn't mind something aftermarket for some more stickiness but I digress.

I have never done it, but from what I remember the pedal and the arm are all one piece. I imagine you'd have to remove the panels just above the footwell to get to the bolts. I bet it's a pretty simple DIY though.

[GTB/ZR-1]

I, too, LFB & agree the manual pedal is a bit too small for serious track duty. There's a DIY thread showing the install of a BMW OEM auto brake pedal (larger) as a solution. Cheap, easy & OEM quality.

I'll search & post up later, if somebody doesn't beat me to it.

[MSteve5036]

[u2b]http://youtu.be/TUodMtqk7mo[/u2b]

I myself am in the middle of looking for a wider pedal, but here is a video with the wider pedal (albiet in a manual car)

[aus]

Like GTB said, I've seen it done here using the EOM pedal. It seemd like it was plug and play.

[OC3]

Originally Posted by Kung Fu English

Anyone (or everyone) do 2 foot driving in their DCT for racing?

I tried it half-assed a few weeks ago at an autocross. Seemed like it would be beneficial to learn but I had a really hard time positioning my feet. You see, my feet stick out (duck footed) fairly severely so twisting my knees to reach both pedals together is nearly impossible. I was basically turned onto my R hip the whole lap.

Is there a pedal extender or a wider brake pedal I can buy to make it easier to hit the brake pedal with my L foot?

Or should I just give up on 2 foot driving because it's not helpful?

I left-foot brake my DCT M3, on the tracks and streets.

Never felt the need for pedal extender or wider brake pedal.

When I tried left-foot braking at the tracks without being securely-locked in the seat, I found it was hard to left-foot brake as your body is just all over the place at corners and you needed your left leg to brace yourself. So, you first need to devise a way to stay locked in tight in the seats (whether via bucket seat & 6-point harness, or seatbelt-cam-lock trick in stock seat & belt).

[gan1hck]

Originally Posted by OC3

I left-foot brake my DCT M3, on the tracks and streets.

Never felt the need for pedal extender or wider brake pedal.

When I tried left-foot braking at the tracks without being securely-locked in the seat, I found it was hard to left-foot brake as your body is just all over the place at corners and you needed your left leg to brace yourself. So, you first need to devise a way to stay locked in tight in the seats (whether via bucket seat & 6-point harness, or seatbelt-cam-lock trick in stock seat & belt).

I left foot brake on the street....and tried it on track for a while, but in right hand corners, I just can't get my left foot onto the brake pedal adequately for good control.

I tried using both feet for braking based on what type of corners I'm in...but finally decided that I'm going to use my right foot for everything while on track.

With DSC off, I did not notice any issues with brake/gas pedal overlap.

[FormulaMMM]

Fitting a wider pedal can be done, not sure how. Here's a Turner video with a 6MT E92 and a wider brake pedal. You could contact them to see if they'll share the swap details.

I also find the stock brake pedal too narrow for comfortable left foot braking -- feel all cramped in the right side of the footwell even with narrow Piloti shoes, and I have to adjust my hips/legs into a position I wouldn't want to remain in for long.

I'm killer with the left foot in my Jeep and F1 xbox 360 though.

[bigjae1976]

I left foot brake my DCT M3. I'd rather not have a pedal extension on the gas although a pedal from an automatic car would help.

Left foot braking is actually pretty easy to do nice and smooth. The problem is it takes so much mental capacity that I've messed up every turn in or I'm just going much slower.

[OC3]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I left foot brake my DCT M3. I'd rather not have a pedal extension on the gas although a pedal from an automatic car would help.

Left foot braking is actually pretty easy to do nice and smooth. The problem is it takes so much mental capacity that I've messed up every turn in or I'm just going much slower.

Left-foot braking (after a while) is just like counter-steering to control the car/slide - you don't think... no time for that, you just do it instinctively.

[OC3]

Originally Posted by gan1hck

I left foot brake on the street....and tried it on track for a while, but in right hand corners, I just can't get my left foot onto the brake pedal adequately for good control.

I tried using both feet for braking based on what type of corners I'm in...but finally decided that I'm going to use my right foot for everything while on track.

With DSC off, I did not notice any issues with brake/gas pedal overlap.

Not sure what that's all about.

I've been doing it on street cars for decades, long before I started tracking. Just have to get to the point where it's just feels natural.

[gan1hck]

Originally Posted by OC3

Not sure what that's all about.

I've been doing it on street cars for decades, long before I started tracking. Just have to get to the point where it's just feels natural.

right hand corners...g forces push me and my left foot out to the left far enough that I have to work pretty hard at bringing my left foot onto the pedal...leaving me without the feel that I need to use the brake pedal with good accuracy.

Seat and harness is just not holding me in place good enough....I'm 5'9''...150 lbs...and I feel like no matter what I do...I'm sliding around in my seat in all the corners.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by OC3

Left-foot braking (after a while) is just like counter-steering to control the car/slide - you don't think... no time for that, you just do it instinctively.

Yeah, but right foot braking is my instinctive reaction. Its going to take me awhile to learn left foot braking.

[su_maverick]

Any tips for someone to practice LFB in a safe way on streets? I have gotten to where HTS is almost second nature but have been hesitant to try LFB as I dont want to be 'that guy' around other motorists.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by su_maverick

Any tips for someone to practice LFB in a safe way on streets? I have gotten to where HTS is almost second nature but have been hesitant to try LFB as I dont want to be 'that guy' around other motorists.

Do you have an automatic car. I only lfb my x5 as practice. 1st few times you come to a stop at a light behind someone it will feel dangerous. At least it did for me being totally foreign. After that it gets easier day to day until panic stop happens and you use left foot.

[su_maverick]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Do you have an automatic car. I only lfb my x5 as practice. 1st few times you come to a stop at a light behind someone it will feel dangerous. At least it did for me being totally foreign. After that it gets easier day to day until panic stop happens and you use left foot.

Unfortunately I do not. I have only ever owned manual cars for myself and I dont think any of my friends/loved ones would be too keen on me trying out new techniques on their cars lol.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by su_maverick

Unfortunately I do not. I have only ever owned manual cars for myself and I dont think any of my friends/loved ones would be too keen on me trying out new techniques on their cars lol.

dont tell them.

[OC3]

Originally Posted by su_maverick

Unfortunately I do not. I have only ever owned manual cars for myself and I dont think any of my friends/loved ones would be too keen on me trying out new techniques on their cars lol.

When I first started LFB on the streets years ago, I was doing ok for the most part but, every once in a awhile I'd b easing into a parking spot and the left leg would jerk causing neck-snappers to everyone in the car. Just gotta keep doing it to train the left leg.

As for doing it on a manual car... dunno, watch old WRC videos where there's videocam in the footwell?

[su_maverick]

Originally Posted by OC3

When I first started LFB on the streets years ago, I was doing ok for the most part but, every once in a awhile I'd b easing into a parking spot and the left leg would jerk causing neck-snappers to everyone in the car. Just gotta keep doing it to train the left leg.

As for doing it on a manual car... dunno, watch old WRC videos where there's videocam in the footwell?

Yeah, thats pretty much what I did to train myself on HTS. Start of very slowly where I have enough time to go through the motions in my head before the shift is needed and then do it.

Unfortunately, its not that easy with LFB where you are always aware of revs etc so its actually a lot more complex. I may just go out to some abandoned parking lot and practice just doing an oval and keeping it in the same gear. The last thing I need to do start practicing it on the road and have a delivery truck sharing space with my trunk.